- From: Andrej Verity <verity@un.org>
- Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 12:47:19 +0800
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- Cc: Carsten Kessler <carsten.kessler@hunter.cuny.edu>, hxlproject@googlegroups.com, Massimo Cristaldi <m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu>, Paolo Palmero <palmero@un.org>, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, "public-emergency@w3.org" <public-emergency@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif <public-xg-eiif@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif-request@w3.org, Uberto Delprato <u.delprato@iessolutions.eu>
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Yes - XLS is better than nothing. Although they seem to enjoy changing
their output occasionally :-(
There is a lot of great discussions ongoing in country. We have been
working with the OpenGov people locally as well as the some of the
agencies responsible for baseline geo-datasets. It seems that we might be
very close to having the Philippines government to opening the
geo-database (e.g. admin boundaries, p-codes, etc) with a license that
could be integrated into OSM --- which would be a big milestone!
Slowly, slowly. But having people in-country to talk to the government
face-to-face is really helping.
Andrej
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From: public-xg-eiif@w3.org
To: Andrej Verity <verity@un.org>
Cc: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>, Carsten Kessler
<carsten.kessler@hunter.cuny.edu>, hxlproject@googlegroups.com, Massimo
Cristaldi <m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu>, Paolo Palmero <palmero@un.org>,
"public-emergency@w3.org" <public-emergency@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif
<public-xg-eiif@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif-request@w3.org, Uberto Delprato
<u.delprato@iessolutions.eu>
Date: 11/29/2013 05:29 PM
Subject: Re: one more thing schema.org?
Sent by: public-xg-eiif-request@w3.org
Dear Andrej,
thank you for the update. Surely sharing data on XLS is "more then
nothing", but it's still far from a real interoperability scenario based
on open standards.
So still a long way to go.
We're technically managing the EU Project IDIRA (www.idira.eu) were we're
putting together open standards and web based platforms for helping big
disasters.
Feel free to have a look and, of course, I can provide some more details
of what is today's in the project website.
Massimo
www.iessolutions.eu
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:42 AM, Andrej Verity <verity@un.org> wrote:
Dear all,
Having troubles keeping up with emails given that I am in the Philippines
responding. In regards to this comment copied below, we have access to a
bunch of the government's data in XLS and we are working on getting more.
[Trust me, this is an improvement since 2009 when OCHA spent a lot of
time with the government explaining the importance of even putting data
into something simple like XLS to share]. DSWD actively shares their data
through email. We are working on NDRRMC as they have it in XLS, but they
do not pro-actively share it.
One of the data sets that could be included is the Situation Report
released by the Philippines Government.
http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan
We have a process in place of scrapping the pdf for our use. It
contains data relating to affected people evacuations centres etc per
municipality for about 650 municipalities. There may be other tables as
well with data relevant to the hxl vocab, but I haven't checked. There
are a few other data sets we have processed that may also be able to be
included.
Simon: nice maps on the site! Some are duplication of what are being
produced by others (including in-country teams), but I will share them &
link them to the in-country (operationally-aimed) response website:
https://philippines.humanitarianresponse.info/
Cheers,
Andrej
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Andrej Verity
Emergency Information Management Response - Philippines
UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs
Mob: +63-917-597-4789 Swiss: +41-79-444-5046 Email:
verity@un.org
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From: public-xg-eiif@w3.org
To: Massimo Cristaldi <m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu>
Cc: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@googlemail.com>,
hxlproject@googlegroups.com, Carsten Kessler <
carsten.kessler@hunter.cuny.edu>, "public-emergency@w3.org" <
public-emergency@w3.org>, public-xg-eiif <public-xg-eiif@w3.org>, Uberto
Delprato <u.delprato@iessolutions.eu>, Paolo Palmero <palmero@un.org>
Date: 11/28/2013 10:34 PM
Subject: one more thing schema.org?
Sent by: public-xg-eiif-request@w3.org
Sorry for the string of emails, its the neurons firing up all at once
that trigger them :-)
just a side note. is anyone working on EM data for schema.org?
should we cook something up based on the EIIF framework?
thanks
PDM
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks a lot for responses
@Aleksander @others, please let us know when you are available to give
overview
we may be able to invite you to give a webinar or something!
@Massimo, thanks for ping! I attended a crisicamp in Bologna where I may
have met some people in your network, I will continue to share ideas on
list and look forward to collaboration opportunities
@all
One of the causes of limited data sharing in emergency, has historically
been the lack of availability of agencies to cooperate. This is due to a
variety of factors (have done bits of research in this space), including
limited knowhow and people resources. However this seems to be changing,
because organisations are smartening up and adopting web based
technologies by default, they also indirectly buy into open source culture
etcetera
We have been thinking of doing a follow up workshop to evaluate the
framework, to start getting people to cooperate and refine and evolve the
proposed schema, or any other schema
If we have enough people and organisations on board, even a small
workshop, or series of small workshops, could make sense. Have opened a
page
http://www.w3.org/community/emergency/wiki/Workshop(s)
Please join the community and give input freely, thanks PDM
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Massimo Cristaldi <
m.cristaldi@iessolutions.eu> wrote:
Dear Paola,
very interesting points indeed.
For your information we're supporting the Italian Fire Brigades towards
the transition to an "open interoperability" framework, so far "limited"
in incident notification, since 2006.
As coordinators of the EU Project REACT we paved the way to the adoption
of the EDXL Common Alerting Protocol from the Italian Ministry of the
Interior that issues, so far, two decrees - see this link for a brief
overview
http://www.iessolutions.eu/en/the-world-standard-day-2011-conference-and-the-business-story-based-on-an-open-standard
Of course we're interested in contributing to any scientific article about
the topic!
Massimo
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On 28/nov/2013, at 09:22, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a quick correction and a follow up thought (sorry a bit in a hurry
yesterday, it was the middle of the night at my end)
1. the EIIF report, framework, conceptual model etc, was the result of
a collective effort led and coordinated by Renato Iannella (looking back
at that work Renato and all, even after so many years, it still looks good
imho)
2. Ideally, information providers would adopt shared schemas (which
could or could not be based on/related to our framework) to simplify
interoperability. While this particular wish may take a while to come
true, the framework can be used to map and create interoperability
between different schemas. I think thanks to the experts in the XG, we can
guarantee the framework facilitates this at least to some extent
3. we would be grateful if people could 'evaluate' the usefulness of the
framework. could it help, if adopted, to structure and simplify web based
information exchange of emergency information? if not, what should we do
to make the framework more useful and promote its adoption?
Thanks!!
PDM
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
wrote:
Simon
cc
public emergency community
public xg eiif list
thanks for sharing
from what I recall *I am doing this in between of lots of other things
:-)*
one of the historical problems we have (as a community of open information
professionals) is accessing emergency/relief data. so, from my
perspective, it would be very useful to have an evaluation of the data
sharing policy in practice, or any hints thereof, the transition from PDF
to xml or other web friendly format is a technical formality that is
relatively trivial when the policy is transparent
In addition to any support Carsten and others may offer, from the work
myself and other folks have done before,
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/wiki/Main_Page
we can provide a bit of help in devising the schemas. (keeping in mind the
vocabulary/ontological aspects of the schema) assuming that the
information schemas used in the original dataset currently available in
PDF , are not optimized for web based representation/exchange
(havent looked at them in detail), we can help there. we have a framework
that has been formally validated with DOLCE that we can use to ensure
integrity of the data
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/eiif/XGR-Framework-20090720/
if you think this could be useful, we can give more info how to use the
framework
In addition, if this is a first of any kind, some of us may be interested
in working with you folks to write a paper about this effort.
Let us know how can we assist, and look forward to be reading about the
progress being made in this space
GIS rocks
P
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:58 PM, SJohnson <simonbjohnson@gmail.com>
wrote:
Apologies to everyone for missing the skype call. I've been busy all day
and have only just picked this up. For future use my ID is
simon_b_johnson. As far as I'm aware the RC has not shared open data
online before or has any open data policy. The British Red Cross GIS team
is very interested in exploring this, but this is our own initiative
rather than anything passed down from management.
One of the data sets that could be included is the Situation Report
released by the Philippines Government.
http://reliefweb.int/report/philippines/ndrrmc-update-sitrep-no-44-effects-typhoon-yolanda-haiyan
We have a process in place of scrapping the pdf for our use. It
contains data relating to affected people evacuations centres etc per
municipality for about 650 municipalities. There may be other tables as
well with data relevant to the hxl vocab, but I haven't checked. There
are a few other data sets we have processed that may also be able to be
included.
In terms of RC data, I doubt I can share anything beyond what we are
currently sharing publicly in other formats. I'm thinking it would also
be a good chance to assess what data we do have internally that might be
of use and start a dialogue here about sharing before the next
humanitarian crisis. We could also see what other data we commonly do
share that might not fall within hxl's current spec. Currently I'm not
expecting much overlap, but it would be useful just to make a start with
whatever we have.
To see what we are producing in respect to this crisis please visit the
following links:
http://webviz.redcross.org:8080/index.html
http://americanredcross.github.io/haiyan_mapfolio/ (There's a lot, but it
is worth scrolling through to see the variation further down)
A quick background on the GIS team here. We are relatively new (only 2
years old) and this is the first time we have been asked to support IFRC
response in conjunction with the American Red Cross GIS team. The only
experience I have had with type of technology before is writing a simple
webpage to query the test store for affected populations and displaying it
on the map, so this will be a learning exercise our side. We do have a
technical minded volunteer who has just started who I am hoping to throw
at the task and see how it goes.
We're going to use the main website as a guide, but if you are able to
offer any other material or advice it would be appreciated. I'm sure once
we get started we will be returning with a few more questions.
Thanks
Simon
On Wednesday, 27 November 2013 16:21:54 UTC, Carsten Kessler wrote:
Hi Simon,
I think having a triple store t the British Red Cross publishing HXL
data would be great. What kind of data do you have in mind?
Cheers,
Carsten
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Daniel Link <dlin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> We are having a HXL-related Skype call today at 15:00 CET. Let me know
your Skype ID if you would like to shortly describe your idea there today.
Carsten Keßler might have the chance to join today too.
>
> Daniel
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