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Re: StratML Wiki?

From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:46:19 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1350679579.51113.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
To: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>, "eGov IG \(Public\)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Hi Owen,

I told you I'd help you out with implementation when the time came.  I guess time has come.

At present, with no modifications, it is possible to import a MSWORD document into LibreOffice[1] and export a MediaWiki (text) file.  This need not even be saved, but can be copied and pasted into the W3C Wikis (provided they still work the same as the last time I used them a few years ago).

Frank Bennett has some good points though (especially that intrigueing "pencil and paper" technology).  I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I got the impression that he was concerned about the ability to control creative output without formal DRM.  I've always preferred the transparent nuclear redaction option myself (RUSTprivacy).  With a format change from XML to MediaWiki there is no reason to consider data recovery (or RDF for distribution - don't tell ernadette-BAY yland-HAY).  In fact, it's harmful - a farmer digging up plants to "see how the roots are doing".  My short comment about the "Flat Earth" was really about a Flat Time analog being dangerous to strategic planning progress.  Congress proves that even BAD things take time.

Other aspects of local machine creation, like local validation of not-ready-for-primetime observations are cookbook stuff, but you can't assume your friendly vendor will automatically give you a pencil and paper quarentine.  The NSA has been all over this for years[2].  Me too[3].

If you don't want to use LibreOffice, or OpenOffice, then you can consider embeding StratML in a bibliographic citation of XHTML ... XSD schemas are chainable[4].  Or, use the National Library of Medicine's JATS[5] as a wrapper.  Or even DWML from the National Weather Service (nobody beats those people for compartmentalizing tactical information which might otherwise be used as permanent strategy decorations).

If you could let me know in very rough terms what you want to be able to do, I could get started.


[1] http://www.documentfoundation.org/
[2] http://www.nsa.gov/ia/_files/support/I733-028R-2008.pdf
[3] http://www.rustprivacy.org/TakingWorkHome.pdf
[4] http://www.rustprivacy.org/FunForLibrarians.pdf
[5] http://jats.nlm.nih.gov/archiving/

 From: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
To: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com> 
Cc: acusson@01COMMUNICATIONS.com; 'Betsy Fanning' <BFANNING@AIIM.ORG>; 'Jay Fohs' <Jay.Fohs@marklogic.com> 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: StratML Wiki?

Gannon, w/re our exchange during the W3C eGov IG’s IRC (except below) this morning, I look forward to learning if you can help create a wiki interface for the StratML standard.  
If so, I’d suggest that you start with the elements of StratML Part 1 and leave the additional complexity associated with Part 2, much less Part 3, till later.
Owen Ambur
Co-Chair, AIIM StratML Committee
Co-Chair Emeritus, xml.gov CoP
Communications/Membership Director, FIRM
Former Project Manager, ET.gov
Invited Expert, W3C eGov IG
[12:04] <Owen> Jeanne's draft objectives are now available in StratMLformat at http://xml.gov/stratml/carmel/OSMG.xml
[12:04] <Jeanne_> Thanks Owen
[12:04] <olyerickson> Q: Can this doc be W3C wikified in a W3C acceptable way?
[12:05] <Jeanne_> DanielBennett: Created a document before with lead people for each section, and separate meetings that helped to work the editorial process
[12:05] <olyerickson> Not sure what the work product DanielBennett is referring to might be
[12:06] <Owen> I have tried to engage wiki vendors in incorporating the StratML standard into their services ... thus far without discernable results
[12:06] <olyerickson> * specifics I mean
[12:06] <olyerickson> Q: What is "the format" A "Group Note?"
[12:06] * olyerickson is trying to decide what we just decided to do
[12:07] <olyerickson> s/decide/understand/
[12:07] <olyerickson> DanielBennett: Time constraints need to not be "loosey-goosey"
[12:07] <olyerickson> +1 to helping (assuming I understand what I'm helping on)
[12:08] <GannonDick> Owen, maybe I could help with a Strat
[12:08] * PhilA Jeanne_ and Daniel are agreeing to work on the doc - nad you just agree to help olyerickson :-)
[12:08] <GannonDick> ml to
[12:08] * olyerickson I agreed to help but I don't know what I'm helping on
[12:08] <GannonDick> oo which exports
[12:08] <DeirdreLee> +1 for information and data sharing section
[12:08] <GannonDick> media wiki
[12:09] <olyerickson> Q: Will this be W3C hosted []yes []no
[12:09] <PhilA> Let me or Sandro know if and when you want to book a slot on the Zakim bridge
[12:09] <olyerickson> Q: Will this be in wiki format []yes []no
[12:09] <GannonDick> q+
[12:09] * Zakim sees GannonDick on the speaker queue
[12:09] <PhilA> Yes, olyerickson, it will be W3C hosted
[12:09] <olyerickson> Q: Will this be public from the start []yes []no
[12:10] <Jeanne_> It is public right now.
[12:10] <Owen> I will contribute in any way that I can, both in format and substance
[12:10] <olyerickson> DeirdreLee: Will contribute information & data sharing
[12:10] <PhilA> ack GannonDick
[12:10] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:10] <Jeanne_> I would think we should keep it transparent, although as it moves through some iterations it make be in discussion.
[12:10] <olyerickson> GannonDick: Can do StratML magic to it
[12:10] <Owen> Gannon, you are already referenced at http://xml.gov/stratml/index.htm#Part3
[12:11] <Owen> Will look forward to seeing StratML wikified
[12:12] <PhilA> q+
[12:12] * Zakim sees PhilA on the speaker queue
[12:12] * olyerickson hopes the process/tools are web based
[12:12] <PhilA> ack me
[12:12] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:12] <Jeanne_> ack PhilA
[12:12] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
[12:12] <DanielBennett> http://www.w3.org/TR/gov-data/
[12:12] <olyerickson> PhilA: Encourages us to not be scared
[12:13] <olyerickson> Q: Does W3C process even apply (if this is not a Recommendation(tm) )
[12:13] <olyerickson> sandro: Every contributor MUST be a member of the group and follows IP policies
[12:14] <olyerickson> Jeanne_: Initiate group member list etc yada yada
[12:14] <olyerickson> DanielBennett: The wiki platform does a great job
[12:14] <Jeanne_> yada yada = make sure people have agreed to W3C intellectual guidelines and policies
[12:14] <olyerickson> * even "pencil and paper" (definition? ;) )
[12:15] <olyerickson> PhilA: If tehre is something you need/want control over, DON'T contribute it...
[12:15] <olyerickson> DanielBennett: If you contribute, your name will be listed (but not good for tenure... )
[12:15] <olyerickson> Jeanne_: (garbled)
[12:16] <olyerickson> Topic: Wrapup
[12:16] <DanielBennett> yw
[12:16] <olyerickson> Thanks all around
[12:16] <olyerickson> Special thanks to DanielBennett ( Jeanne_ owes him a pint)
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