Re: what do you mean, e-gov?

Kris -


> Democracy is one form of governance. Even a dictatorial government may
> implement e-Government as policy to simplify governance.
>

yes of course. But in implementing e-governance technologies and processes,
an important transformative process can be undertaken to help trigger a
transition, make a difference, from dictatorial systems to a democratic one.

If not here, then where?

Are dictatorial governments legitimate? (I know, it s  a big question, but
not as far as I know. dictatorships tend to be arbitrary and obtained,
maintained by force - with armed weapons - but let me have some examples of
legal dictatorships I may not be aware of)

Do we (IT people, technologists,  the web community) want to create
technologies and e-governance processes that  can serve
dictatorships (with the suppression of human rights that generally go with
that)

Do we have processes in place (other than this mailing list)  to make sure
that all members of the community - this IG - have the chance to 'steer'
 influence and decide the mandate of this IG?

I, for one, may not be able, due to ethical stance, to contribute to any WG
that serves
non ethical purposes

but dont let me stop you :-0

p




>
> Thus e-Government is not synonimous with e-Democracy. E-Democracy would
> certainly encompass e-Governance and e-Government. Wikipedia clarifies the
> distinction between the three.
>
> Kris Dev.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paola Di Maio
> Sent:  07/05/2012 9.31.36 pm
> To: John Erickson
> Cc: eGov IG (Public)
> Subject:  Re: what do you mean, e-gov?
>
> John
>
> thanks for reminder of relevant  snippet in the charter, the discussion is
> zig zaging a bit, which is sometimes an outcome of evolutionary processes.
>
> Several questions were asked on the list in relation to the scope and
> processes of these IG,
> various threads came up to deal with these questions
>
> if i remember correctly, this particular thread attempts to get members
> provide input into how to  define e-Government (since there is no evidence
> how the existing working definition came into being, and whether such a
> working definition is relevant/useful to the list member as it is).
>
> The discussion started evaluating the relation e-government - e-democracy.
>
> According to literature (see related threads), is necessary to define
> e-government meaningfully within the context of legitimacy (as mandated by
> the UN for example)
>
> So basically,  members of this IG seem to agree that e-Government is  (and
> must be) a function of democracy,
>
> Its a complex issue,  so far this IG does not seem to have a procedure in
> place to enable
> the IG members for governance
> self referential loop [1])
>
> So, in a complex socio-technical world worldview, e-democracy is the
> context (read: constraint, boundary) for what this IG is about
>
> (Discuss?)
>
>
> PDM
>
>
> [1]  E-Government, E-Services and Global Processes: Joint IFIP TC 8 and TC
> 6 International Conferences, EGES 2010 and GISP 2010, Held as Part of WCC
> 2010, Brisbane, Australia, September 20-23, 2010, Proceeding Page 66
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM, John Erickson <olyerickson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Discussions of terms like "e-Democracy" are all well and good,
> > but...methinks this is the W3C eGovernment (eGov) IG
> > <http://bit.ly/Kf6vai> and "...is chartered to serve as a connector
> > among people, especially government employees, looking for ways to use
> > or promote the use of W3C technologies to improve government services
> > and operations. We believe these technologies can provide significant
> > benefit to governments of all sizes, including city, regional, and
> > national governments (and between governments), in all parts of the
> > world. We also recognize that with new technologies and a changing
> > world, new policy concerns arise; this group will also facilitate
> > discussion to focus understanding of policy and security matters
> > related to W3C technologies..."
> >
> > Sorry to be pedantic...I'm just lost why we have this continuing thread.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Mick Phythian <mick.phythian@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Thanks Steven,
> > >
> > > I think that's rounded enough to avoid any of the broader attributes
> > given
> > > in other 'definitions' of e-democracy.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Mick http://greatemancipator.com
> > >
> > > On 4 May 2012 20:56, Steven Clift <clift@e-democracy.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> As the one who coined the shortened term "e-democracy" in 1994 before
> > >> e-government, e-business, etc. were used, here is what I came up with
> on
> > >> that one:
> > >>
> > >> http://dowire.org/wiki/E-democracy
> > >>
> > >> E-democracy represents the use of information and communication
> > >> technologies and strategies by democratic actors within political and
> > >> governance processes of local communities, nations and on the
> > international
> > >> stage. Democratic sectors/actors include governments, elected
> > officials, the
> > >> media, political organizations, and citizen/voters.
> > >>
> > >> To many, e-democracy suggests greater and more active citizen
> > >> participation enabled by the Internet, mobile communications, and
> other
> > >> technologies in today’s representative democracy as well as through
> more
> > >> participatory or direct forms of citizen involvement in addressing
> > public
> > >> challenges.
> > >>
> > >> (Before sharing this definition, I used to simply say "e" or
> electronic
> > >> and any definition of democracy that you use. :-))
> > >>
> > >> Steven Clift
> > >> clift@e-democracy.org  - +1 612 234 7072
> > >> http://stevenclift.com - @democracy
> > >> http://e-democracy.org - @edemo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mick Phythian PhD
> > >
> > > http://greatemancipator.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > John S. Erickson, Ph.D.
> > Director, Web Science Operations
> > Tetherless World Constellation (RPI)
> > <http://tw.rpi.edu> <olyerickson@gmail.com>
> > Twitter & Skype: olyerickson
> >
> >
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