# Re: [Minutes] 2012-08-24 (was Re: W3C eGov Meeting (Los Angeles time))

From: Gannon Dick <gannon_dick@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 12:58:59 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <1345838339.76473.YahooMailNeo@web112615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
To: "eGov IG \(Public\)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>, Soon Ae Chun <Soon.Chun@csi.cuny.edu>, "carlos.ivan.chesnevar@gmail.com" <carlos.ivan.chesnevar@gmail.com>
```Great call :-)

1.  I had an observation about claims for the accuracy of Sentiment Analysis.  It rather depends on the expectation that opinion is in fact polarized.  Many years ago a friend described a similar problem ...  She returned home after her Living Room was re-carpeted.  So she looked, and found a Husband-sized lump, ignored it, and found a cat sized lump and called the workmen back.  The lump size gives an indication of the form underneath a Gaussian.  If the expectation is that the form underneath is two poles then the width of the Gaussian shape above is not a reflection of the standard deviation of the sample, but rather a reflection that the sample has no Central Limit (average), something which makes a Gaussian tall and skinny.  Three sigma is a sampling rate ~ 99.7% of Tweet Context (Subject), whereas one sigma (~ 68%) assumes every lump has one peak underneath.  My method is easier - approximate the lump underneath by an isosceles triangle
and pivot each half to "see" the expected poles.   Hint: your approximation to the cat sized Gaussian just became an approximation to a catenary.

2. <olyerickson> Overarching question: for all of these papers, do they focus on their immediate countries/regions, the whole" world or a specific interesting country (e.g. USA, UK, EU countries, etc)

I too would like to hear an answer to Mr. Erickson's overarching question ... in this Crowdsourcing Context:  Canberra is 13 hours ahead of Texas at the moment.  It will soon be Saturday night, here.  Nothing says piety like a Sunday morning in Sidney with the contemporaneous input of 20 something million liquored up Cowboys.  I foresee some problems in the offing with real time data.

3.  Ms. Flagg ... is there a "Time Zero" on the Archival Data Sets from the various suppliers ?  The reason I ask is because the archives might be crucial to validate the expectations for success of a Government program, pre-launch.  It seems to me that this would make the risk of using a new technology for the Agency, unnecessarily greater, and for you a harder sell.

--Gannon

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From: "Holm, Jeanne M (1760)" <jeanne.m.holm@jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Cc: eGov IG (Public) <public-egov-ig@w3.org>; Soon Ae Chun <Soon.Chun@csi.cuny.edu>; "carlos.ivan.chesnevar@gmail.com" <carlos.ivan.chesnevar@gmail.com>; "Aisenberg, Michael A." <maisenberg@mitre.org>; "Strawn, George" <Strawn@nitrd.gov>; "Geraghty, John P." <jgeraghty@mitre.org>; "Irven, Candy" <cirven@egov.com>; "jeffkaplan88@gmail.com" <jeffkaplan88@gmail.com>; Dave McAllister <dmcallis@adobe.com>; Bobbi Martin <Bobbi.Martin@tn.gov>; Malcolm Crompton <mcrompton@iispartners.com>; Sylvia Webb <sylvia.webb@vision4standards.com>; "Khoshafian, Setrag" <Setrag.Khoshafian@pega.com>; "Lee, Deirdre" <Deirdre.Lee@deri.org>; Eriksen Gorm Haug <Gorm-Haug.Eriksen@dss.dep.no>
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutes] 2012-08-24 (was Re: W3C eGov Meeting (Los Angeles  time))

Phil and Deirdre--

Thanks so much for your help in getting the minutes together and out so
quickly!

--Jeanne

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Jeanne Holm
Evangelist, Data.gov
Cell: (818) 434-5037
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On 8/24/12 9:51 AM, "Phil Archer" <phila@w3.org> wrote:

>The minutes of today's eGov IG call are online at
>http://www.w3.org/2012/08/24-egov-minutes.html and I've updated the wiki
>accordingly.
>
>Thanks again to the three very interesting speakers on today's call.
>
>Next meetings are:
>3 September (Eurasian timing)
>21 September (Atlantic timing)
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil.
>
>On 23/08/2012 15:43, Holm, Jeanne M (1760) wrote:
>> Event Invitation
>>
>> Title:
>>
>>
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>> W3C eGov Meeting (Los Angeles time)
>>
>> Location:
>>
>>
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>> +1-617-761-6200 or sip:zakim@voip.w3.org then conference code 3468#
>> ("EGOV#")
>>
>> When:
>>
>>
>>
>> 24 August 2012 16:00 ­ 17:30
>>
>> Organizer:
>>
>>
>>
>> Holm, Jeanne M (1760)
>>
>> Description:
>>
>>
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>> When: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:00 AM-12:30 PM. (UTC-05:00) Eastern
>> Time (US & Canada) Where: +1-617-761-6200 or sip:zakim@voip.w3.org then
>> conference code 3468# ("EGOV#") The next meeting of the W3C eGOV
>> Interest Group will take place on Friday, August 24 from 8:00 to 9:30
>> a.m. Los Angeles (11 a.m.-12:30 p.m. EST) time. The discussion will
>> focus on the use of social media by government and other state actors to
>> interact with citizens, busines,s and with each other, and related
>> technology and policy issues. If you are interested in sharing your
>> experience with social media development and use in the public space or
>> know about an initiative, experience, research findings, etc. worth
>> sharing, please present it to the group or encourage your colleagues to
>> any future presentations. AGENDA 08:00 - 08:05 Welcome and introductions
>> 08:05 - 08:15 Defining the discussion space 08:15 - 09:15 Social Media
>> case studies --Carlos Ivan Chesnevar--DECIDE 2.0: Intelligent Processing
>> of Citizen Opinions in Social Media (slides can be downloaded at
>> http://cs.uns.edu.ar/~cic/w3c-decide20.zip ) --Soon Ae Chun--Social
>> Media in Government: Findings of the Special Issue of Government
>> Information Quarterly 09:15 - 09:25 Summary and next steps 09:25 - 09:30
>> Next meeting We will also need a member of the group to help scribe.
>> This is essentially taking notes in the IRC chat during the
>> teleconference to capture the key points of the discussion. If you are
>> able to volunteer to scribe for the next meeting (or interested for
>> forward to talking to you tomorrow! Ways to connect: --Telecon line:
>> Dial +1-617-761-6200 or
>>
>>sip:zakim@voip.w3.org<mailto:zakim@voip.w3.org><mailto:zakim@voip.w3.org>
>> then
>> conference code 3468# ("EGOV#") --W3C IRC channel #egov, see
>> http://www.w3.org/Project/IRC/ or use http://irc.w3.org/?channels=egov
>> --Scribe: (please volunteer, if you've done this before) --Group access
>> via the W3C at http://www.w3.org/egov/ and also via LinkedIn at the W3C
>> eGovernment Interest
>>
>
>--
>
>
>Phil Archer
>W3C eGovernment
>http://www.w3.org/egov/
>
>http://philarcher.org
>+44 (0)7887 767755
>@philarcher1
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