- From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:04:09 +0100
- To: Mick Phythian <mick.phythian@gmail.com>
- Cc: "eGov IG (Public)" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Mick > Along with a definition of e-gov you'll then need a definition of democracy. There are different models for democracy, and that is probably where the freedom of any country to select the most appropriate to their culture/situation http://www.democracy-building.info/systems-democracy.html in turn, different forms of eGov follow , that is something we may be interested in discussing here further PDM > Many of us are in representative democracies; what aspects of e-government > require/lead to is direct democracy - I labelled this one of the 'antinomies > of modern government'. True e-government and representative democracy aren't > compatible... > > Mick http://greatemancipator.com > > On 27 April 2012 11:47, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thank you Tomasz >> >> >> > The W3C definition of EGOV is at the top of http://www.w3.org/egov/: >> > "eGovernment is the use of the Web and other information technologies >> > by governments to interact with the citizenry, between departments and >> > divisions, and with other governments". >> >> Who wrote this definition? (should the provenance of the working >> definition be stated?) >> >> How do we know that this definition is adequate for our purpose, and >> represents the view of the list members? >> (certainly it does not represent my view of e-Gov, and others >> we have heard so far) :-) >> >> >> >> It seems to me that such a definition reinforces the structural gap >> between >> 'governement' and 'citizenry', rather than diminishing it. >> >> Many of us like to think,for example, that citizens *are* the >> government, before they given a blue collar and transformed into fuel >> for the bureaucratic, dysfunctional political machinery >> >> Given appropriate democratic practices and adoption of technologies >> that support their participation, there should be no us and them. >> >> >> >> >> > This process could perhaps lead to the revision of the W3C definition. >> >> >> oh yes, please :-) >> Thank you >> >> >> PDM >> >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Tomasz >> > >> > >> >> In the definition below, I am particularly interested in the word >> >> *transformation. * >> >> * >> >> * >> >> The question could be formulated as: >> >> how do bring transformation of traditional governance (from closed, >> >> secretive, self serving, corruption prone self established elites) to >> >> e-governance (assuming we establish among the principles of self >> >> governance: opennes, transparency, serving the common good, accountable >> >> and >> >> participative) >> > >> >> Since you have a Phd on the subject, could it be a good idea if you >> >> started >> >> an essay on the topic, and get others to chip in? >> >> * >> >> * >> >> *Cheers* >> >> * >> >> * >> >> *PDM >> >> * >> > >> >> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Mick Phythian >> >> <mick.phythian@gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> >>> Having done a PhD on the area, the one I settled on was in a Canadian >> >>> report by Roy (2006, p.x), he further refines ‘e-government’ as “The >> >>> continuous innovation in the delivery of services, citizen >> >>> participation, >> >>> and governance through the transformation of external and internal >> >>> relationships by the use of information technology, especially the >> >>> Internet”. >> >>> >> >>> Roy, J. (2006). *E-Government in Canada* (Reprinted 2008 ed.). Ottawa, >> >>> Canada: University of Ottawa.com >> >>> >> >>> Best of a bad bunch! >> >>> >> >>> Mick http://greatemancipator.com - still lurking >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 24 April 2012 20:09, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> For those who have been around the last twenty years or any >> >>>> subset thereof, the question is not new. We each seem to >> >>>> use the same word with different meanings (anyone else laughing >> >>>> hysterically at this point?) >> >>>> >> >>>> I was recently giving a talk and providing my own definition(s), and >> >>>> would have liked >> >>>> to point to the W3C definition of egov. But I could not remember >> >>>> whether >> >>>> we agreed on one, and where it can be accessed. Admittedly I have >> >>>> been >> >>>> away a lot lately. >> >>>> >> >>>> For example, for me egovernance applies to both >> >>>> the governance of civil society institutions (presumably the >> >>>> governance >> >>>> democratic institutions that are ruled by first principles, and the >> >>>> universal declaration of human rights, although in reality there may >> >>>> not be >> >>>> many governments that do so), as well as the governance of online >> >>>> communities, whereby the information and decisions are mediated by >> >>>> online >> >>>> technologies, or something like that. But not sure if this has been >> >>>> discussed >> >>>> I do not remember any such discussions on list. Is it my memory >> >>>> failing >> >>>> me again? >> >>>> >> >>>> Any threads/uri's someone could kindly repost if these questions have >> >>>> already been asked? >> >>>> >> >>>> if not, i would invite the IG Chairs to start off with some proposed >> >>>> definitions, either on list or on wiki page possibly one for each >> >>>> term in >> >>>> our shared vocabulary, (wiki? url......), then members (other than >> >>>> pure >> >>>> lurkers) could introduce themseles and get their active participation >> >>>> in the >> >>>> group going by entering their own definitions/variations, with >> >>>> possibly a >> >>>> link to their profile >> >>>> so that we can start getting to know each other meaningfully?:-) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> sincerely >> >>>> >> >>>> PDM >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Mick Phythian PhD >> >>> >> >>> http://greatemancipator.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > Mick Phythian PhD > > http://greatemancipator.com > > >
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