- From: Jose M. Alonso <josema@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:39:56 +0200
- To: eGov IG <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Online:
http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-egov-minutes
also as text below.
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
24 Jun 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Jun/0064
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-egov-irc
Attendees
Present
john, josema, kevin, rachel, daniel, dave, adam, oscar, anne,
owen, brand, george
Regrets
Chair
john, kevin
Scribe
rachel, josema
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda adjustments
2. [6]What's going on (events and the like)
3. [7]eGov/Comm Planning Calls and Coordination
4. [8]Charter and Plan
5. [9]Editorial Task Force
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<dmcallis> having some challenging internet problems this morning
<josema> still three unknown people ?
<aharvey> I'm aadd
<josema> only two to go!
<josema> kevin, john, I think we should try to identify the other
two and go ahead
<Daniel_Bennett> this is eating into the 20min for the "whats going
on" agenda item
Agenda adjustments
<josema> [all happy with agenda]
What's going on (events and the like)
Kevin: made a presentation to Federal CIO Committee
... lots going on w/data.gov and open government initiative
... presented Group Note, was asked if NIST is involved in our work.
... some people from NIST attended F2F but no permanent members on
IG.
... we need to make sure ...we keep on top of everything happening
in govt
... lots of discussion related to metadata and public data catalog
... CIO Council struggling with how to make data discoverable
... Kevin meeting w/George Thomas to follow up (George is on the
call today)
<josema> hey george, good to hear you!
George: RDF not well known in gov, also struggling with
standardization for linked data
<john> we have that too in the UK
Brand: attended semantic web meeting
... provided some examples of semantic web best practices
... partnering with NIST on interoperability in cloud computing
... planning a semantic web workshop set for September hosted by
FDIC
Kevin: update on meeting w/Tim O'Reilly and Kundra, Chopra
... need to present information in a way that managers can
understand
... Vivek working on data dashboard
... we have technical info documented, just need to translate to
show business value
<josema> I guess semantic web workshop above hosted by FDIC is the
XBRL one
Kevin: will follow up with additional action items for year 2
<john>
[11]http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-047041801X.htm
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[11] http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-047041801X.html
John: recommend this book
... good "basics" info
... good strategy for group is to point out good work by colleagues
around the world
... help each of us build a case within our own communities, if we
can demonstrate success by others
<john> everyone ready to move on?
<josema> [12]PdF
[12] http://personaldemocracy.com/pdf-conference/personal-democracy-forum-conference
Daniel: going to PdF
Kevin: I have a discount code if anyone else wants to register, let
me know
<anne> For the record, if not already mentioned, Tim Berners Lee was
chosen by PM to lead open gov data in UK
<anne> [13]http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page19579
[13] http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page19579
eGov/Comm Planning Calls and Coordination
John: Chairs have been meeting with W3C folks to coordinate
marketing for our Group
<josema> that was me on a _real_ phone, no way to get decent sound
today from here :(
Kevin: Looking for opportunities to market our efforts, raise
awareness about our work
... avoid recreating the wheel, if others know what we're doing,
they can join us
... integrate our work into larger eGov efforts
... O'Reilly summit coming up this fall, 2 members submitted case
studies
... they are still calling for Case Studies, but already actually
have received more than they have time for
... W3C Communications team helping us research ways to raise
awareness of our Group's work
Daniel: Recommends creating a Use Case Library for data-related
initiatives
... to help governments standardize data
... one single central place to find out what's being used, and
where
Kevin: We do have a library of Use Cases - what to do with them now?
<john> we also talked about a questionnaire - to try and benchmark
who is where. Not sure of value of that.
Daniel: "wikipedia" of data from around the world
John: Unless we ensure we are producing quality outputs, we won't
gain much traction.
... Need to ensure we produce a coherent "package"
<josema> we also discussed about ETF, mentioned we expected ETF to
tweak IG deliverables, still Comm to help us with media
opportunities, outreach and the like
John: need to produce a White Paper, Kevin is drafting
Charter and Plan
<josema> [14]Draft Charter 2
[14] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Charter2
John: Kevin posted first draft of Year 2 Charter
... Timeframes very short!
... Need to finalize ASAP, so we can submit before deadline in early
July.
... need to be very careful about specific deliverables - can we
actually DO those things?
<aharvey> +1 to john's point about deliverables
<josema> I think we need to get this to W3M agenda on July, 15th...
22nd in the worst case scenario
Kevin: Draft posted is just a "draft" - need feedback!
John: Are deliverables realistic? Do they add value?
<josema> my two concerns: actual deliverables and "visualization" TF
Owen: Who is volunteering to take the lead on deliverables? Nothing
will happen w/o someone taking ownership
Kevin: Agree
<aharvey> +1 to Owen
<dmcallis> +1 to Owen
Kevin: that's why we need to increase participation - either by
adding more members or getting current members more active
... our Group can serve as a bridge betweens lots of other
initiatives
... need to get people to commit to actually DOING things!
<anne> +1 Kevin's idea of creating liasons
Owen: Who will be liaison to those other groups?
George: issues with RDFA and HTML5 causing concern
<Zakim> josema, you wanted to _try_ talk about my OGD TF discussions
John:I want to talk to the "html5 guys"
Jose: Working w/W3C communities
... we can have mixed membership - collaborate with other groups to
create "design patterns for Open Government Data"
... each individual task force can have its own mailing list, to
make communication easier
... agrees w/John about html5 issues
... govt already has many use cases around RDFa to illustrate the
value
Kevin: html5 issue being talked about, perhaps we can raise these
issues in a larger arena
<josema> I already communicated this to Mike Smith (HTML WG Team
contact), will contact him again
Daniel: We want to standardize...but lots of new exciting things
always happening
Daniel: our group can help everyone "get along"
<john> just checking charter2 wording, checking this type of issue
is in our scope
<josema> ACTION: josema to try get RDFa Gov use cases on TPAC agenda
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-egov-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Try get RDFa Gov use cases on TPAC
agenda [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-07-01].
Kevin: is there a business need that conflicts w/RDFa?
<dmcallis> How do we view competing technologies in metadata, (like
XMP) and the wide use of such?
Kevin: not sure our group is doing all we should
<josema> to make my point clearer: I believe OGD is a superset of
Linked Government Data, i.e. Linked Data will be a significant part
of it but we'll have non-LD use cases
Kevin: this year, there are lots of good opportunities for our Group
to make a positive impact
<ocr> +1 to josema, RDFa and OGD
Daniel: important to comply with a standard
Kevin: one of our missions is to partner with others, aggregate best
solutions
<anne> Like Kevin's policy of aggregator and not initiator.
Kevin: use cases can demonstrate value
... what new technologies are coming out that are going to evolve
into standards?
John: This group is a place where people from MANY governments can
get together and discuss common problems
<josema> +1 to john
John: share best practices
... help each other
... eGov IG role is to capture "government" issues and communicate
w/those outside of government
... no other W3C group has this same perpective
... regarding Charter 2 - where do we go now?
... do we have the right scope, how widely should we cover the web
development area?
... do we want to stay with a broad perspective, or narrow our
scope?
<john> wriggle room?
Kevin: important to leave some room to adjust as we go, since things
change so quickly
... some issues include accessibility, interoperability
<josema> we have plenty to choose from:
[16]http://beta.w3.org/Consortium/siteindex#sitemap (but even that
may not be enough wrt visualization)
[16] http://beta.w3.org/Consortium/siteindex#sitemap
Kevin: try not to get bogged down, how best to serve the public?
Kevin: sees 3 different broad areas (in addition to open govt data)
<josema> maybe "Web Design and Applications" ?
<aharvey> or "User Experience and Education"
<john> like both suggestions
Kevin: should focus on things that help governments deliver
citizen-oriented services
Daniel: looking at "open data" versus "development" - interesting
division
... division between those is not always clear
<josema> adam, have you seen
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/ ?
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/
<aharvey> No, thanks for the link Jose!
<josema> all, see namely
[18]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/charter-20090617.html#coor
dination
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/owea/charter-20090617.html#coordination
Daniel: these 2 task forces need to collaborate where issues merge
John: see link posted by Jose on W3C Open Web Education Alliance
Incubator Group
<josema> I'm "guilty" of IG being listed there, forgot to mention it
before, sorry!
John: practical ideas for helping govt make the best use of the web
Kevin: need to prioritize what is most important now
... long-term data management and other areas are not our top
priority right now
... what is the most appropriate thing for our group to focus on
now?
<john> so we do in fact mean "web design and applications"? (to
borrow josema's phrase)
<Zakim> josema, you wanted to ask about deliverables
Jose: What are our potential deliverables for these task forces?
... figure out what we want to accomplish FIRST, then decide on the
framework to make it happen
Kevin: one thing we want is to publish briefing documents more
frequently
<john> so, briefs, memos etc
Kevin: what issues do we want to address in those briefs?
<josema> I was thinking of brainstorming about _real_ examples, can
someone give me one?
<josema> is data.gov.* memo one?
<john> that style of communication
Daniel: promoting best practices is a positive goal
<john> broad brush, picking up gov specific context
<josema> ok, I tend to think we all agree that should be the style
Daniel: are we informing best practices in our work products?
<josema> then we need to focus _very_ well Web D* TF, what's in,
what's not
<john> topic areas - mobile? accessibility?
<josema> e.g. should be Flash part of that TF?
Daniel: we can give governments the tools to improve their web
content/pages
Kevin: What would issue briefs contain?
<john> I would focus on W3C tech - we're not a conduit to adobe /
macromedia for flash right?
Kevin: consistency in Group deliverables is important
<josema> do you remember the discussion about "Web content" ? ;)
<josema> I propose: HTML, CSS, Scripting, Ajax, Accessibility,
Mobile Web, i18n
<josema> rachel: we are short on time, what's the goal for today?
<josema> ... wrt the Charter?
<john> +1
Kevin: everyone - you have until Sunday to comment on Year 2 Charter
... Chairs will finalize on their call next Wednesday
John: Define deliverables, outline exact topics we want to tackle
<john> are, thanks
<josema> maybe more: what about SVG and Widgets?
Kevin: will send out list of w3c groups, need to identify those with
which we need to collaborate
<josema> Privacy? Math?... list goes on
<john> my vote, widgets yes, svg no
<josema> ok
<josema> I'm trying to take into account what Kevin mentioned about
not "too restrictive"
Rachel: are you looking for volunteers at this point?
Kevin: First let's make sure we have the Charter done, then we can
get volunteers.
John: Although we need to make sure that the elements in the Charter
are within the purview and interests of Group members, so we can get
volunteers to tackle these issues.
<Daniel_Bennett> a11y, i18n, HTML, CSS, ECMA, Cool URLs, CSS Media
formats including print and mobile, Citations/Anchors/XPointers
Kevin: still looking for more members
... we do have good folks on the group now, but can always use more
help!
<josema> daniel, I would put Cool URLs, Citations/Anchors/XPointers
on OGD TF, concentrate here more on the "Webapp/visualization"
aspect
<john> I'm not in favour of wishful thinking in the charter
(ambition, but also realism)
<dmcallis> After the new charter, does a F2F make sense? Easier to
involve new members with a concrete meeting.
Kevin: don't want to set expectations without being able to deliver
on them.
<josema> tip: read Charter 1 again, concrete, but not so much, so we
had room
John: can we assume that we structure Charter 2 from the baseline of
where we are today
Kevin: impressed with level of engagement on the listserv this past
week
<josema> I again regret to have missed previous call :(
John: Comments on Charter 2 due Sunday. Issues resolved, Charter
finalized next week.
<Daniel_Bennett> Jose, we miss your actual voice on this one
<kevin> Jose agree with Daniel keep expecting to hear your voice
<josema> daniel, kevin, see draft and listserv, I added many
comments in there!
<Daniel_Bennett> ok
<josema> scribe: josema
Editorial Task Force
rachel: ETF to bridge policy/technology gap
... several volunteers contacted me already
... sent draft proposal to listserv
... anybody read it?
<aharvey> I read it.
<aharvey> I liked it :)
<dmcallis> I read it... haven't had time to digest or respond
john: talked about this with Comm
... Comm very interested in learning what exactly ETF would do
... we mentioned ETF will help us reach those we _need_ to reach as
a group
kevin: strongly agree
brand: semantic web for dummies book
<john> we can resolve this as our way of working, right?
josema: please add ETF to draft charter
rachel: will do
daniel: should a mention of ETF be added to other groups, so it is
clear that deliverables go thru ETF before publication?
kevin: ?? something like that would be awesome
<Owen>
[19]http://www.amazon.com/Semantic-Web-Dummies-Computer-Tech/dp/0470
396792
[19] http://www.amazon.com/Semantic-Web-Dummies-Computer-Tech/dp/0470396792
<Daniel_Bennett> yes, thanks Rachel
<aharvey> no objection
john: anybody objects to this way of working?
RESOLUTION: deliverables to go to ETF before publication
<dmcallis> thanks, all
[IG ADJOURNED - ETF team stays]
rachel: daniel, I like your idea of adding ETF mention to other
groups
... in terms of editing work, we mentioned editing window of 2 weeks
... my plan is to ask people to volunteer depending on topic
daniel: we can have exceptions, also keep media in mind
<Rachel> differentiate between "press" pieces and documents "for
publication"
[some discussion about how the relationship between Comm and ETF
should work]
rachel: ETF happy to review and help, defer to jose how it should
work
josema: I'll try to have you joining an eGov/Comm call to discuss
about it
... we are all in same boat and with same goal, very easy to
understand each other
adam: we can test out ETF procedures and coordination on the current
note, since it's revision isn't a priority
[scribe missed owen's question]
daniel: publish our "standards" for writing style, etc. and make
people aware of this
rachel: next steps, comments on Charter 2 are due on Sunday
... suggestions, please use wiki
... also white paper, we should have that fairly soon
<Daniel_Bennett> have people giving deliverable to ETF to note who
the authors are to allow ETF to contact authors
rachel: white paper should be our first deliverable
... we could even divide up in pieces to work in parallel
adam: sounds good
rachel: I want to thank you all again for volunteering
... this is a passion of mine
... happy to have you joining me for this
<aharvey> we think you're great too Rachel.
rachel: really appreciate it, even before starting
<Daniel_Bennett> Strunk and White
rachel: daniel, I'll try to put together those "standards" we'll use
... if any of you are interested in reworking any piece of the Note
just tell me
<aharvey> MLA?
rachel: let's communicate by email
[ADJOURNED]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: josema to try get RDFa Gov use cases on TPAC agenda
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-egov-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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