- From: Malcolm Crompton <transactions@iispartners.com>
- Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:38:32 +1100
- To: "'eGov IG'" <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
Apologies to all for both this & the previous the re-send. I am trying to use a send address that is suitable for adding to the W3C archives because it is expendable. ------------------------------------------------------------------ I am not in a position to comment either about the UN Document or most of Robin's email, but there is one sentence in Robin's email that is a gem & should not be lost. It is this: "There is currently a lack of dialogue between OSSO and other policy-intensive organisations (mainly governments) about what those policies are or should be, which is a shame as I believe that there is in many cases a strong overlap in goals." This is a very important point. For 2 reasons at least: 1. This is a new way of describing the common interest between OSSO & governments but not one I have seen put this way before. And it has a very strong resonance to it. It is also the basis for the relationship between government & more traditional professions (read >50 years old, eg engineering or motor car design or accounting etc). Indeed in those other industries, government keys off the policy intent of those professions by relying on them to the point of mandating some of their processes in law (sometimes at the expense of modifying them), for example the mandated use of standards set by experts in motor car design or the interaction between accounting standards & legal requirements for stock traded companies etc. 2. For whatever reason, too much of government does not place ICT OSSOs in that category. Winning over government is going to be essential, eg in terms of being able to describe the ulterior motive convincingly; demonstrate the gains of working with OSSOs in terms that convince governments not OSSOs etc. Some in government (both at the political level and policy making/bureaucratic level) are but there is a very, very long way to go. Interestingly, the recent change of guard in the US may produce a quantum step forward in this regard & the corresponding change of guard here in Australia a year earlier has the same potential. Both involve a potent combination of different political philosophy & a distinct move on to the next generation). Certainly, the impact of the changes President Obama has made already in his early signals about government use of ICT / Govt 2.0 / eGov / ... are already reverberating in the corridors of power in other nations. Believe it or not, OSSOs are still likely to be perceived too often as do gooders / activists / industry lobbies in disguise (all at once) which acts against their credibility. Some thought as to how to get Robin's message widely heard & then acted upon might be part of this W3C group's agenda. If it isn't, we may end up only convincing ourselves. My apologies to all for being silent over the last months, but as an Invited Expert, to date my 'expertise' has not strongly matched the directions of discussion to a point where I thought I could make a useful contribution. But the discussion has been fascinating to follow. I will see some of you in DC at the face to face in March. I am a board director of the International Association of Privacy Professionals as well as a panel convenor for their 2009 Annual Privacy Summit which means I won't be able to attend all of the face to face but I do want to meet those attending. I will be in a position to report developments back to key elements of the Federal Government which may be a minor contribution to the second point made above. Malcolm Crompton Managing Director Information Integrity Solutions Pty Ltd ABN 78 107 611 898 T: +61 407 014 450 MCrompton@iispartners.com www.iispartners.com -----Original Message----- From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Robin Berjon Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:20 AM To: Jose M. Alonso Cc: eGov IG Subject: Re: W3C Input to the United Nations "Enhanced Cooperation" Study Hi all, On Feb 3, 2009, at 13:55 , Jose M. Alonso wrote: > I think this document can be of interest to you: > > http://www.w3.org/2009/02/dd-unigf > > It was edited by my colleague Daniel Dardailler as input to a United > Nations study and is oriented toward the topic of more participation > from governments in W3C groups and other internet Open Standard > bodies. I have nothing against Daniel who's a great guy, but in my opinion this document is wishy-washy feel-good goo. I get a strong sense that it's a memo to read on the way to the meeting of the Ents, while riding on the back of a sloth, hoping to leverage inclusiveness in a consensus building oriented process. The "Main Points" section is wishful and unclear. People should do what they do best, and then co-operate. Well, that's gonna bring us world peace! I gather from the context and the conclusion that the idea is to provide leads for greater co-operation between governments and SDOs. That's a worthy goal but I can't figure out from the text what it is W3C wants from that co-operation, unless you count "enabling environments" and "wise policy" as having actual substance. The only thing that comes close to being a goal is "governments should play an important role as sponsors and users of the Internet technologies, but _not_ as network architects", which in my mind reads as "give us money to build stuff, buy the stuff we build, and go play somewhere else". I don't think that that's the best interaction between governments and the W3C, and even if it were it should be more subtle. I think there's a much clearer path to expound on here. Open Standards Setting Organisations* are, contrary to common perception, policy motivated. Their work is technical, but their goals and requirements often are not. In a sense this is comparable to fiscal policy: it is highly technical, but its goals and effects are very obviously socio- economic in nature. There is currently a lack of dialogue between OSSO and other policy-intensive organisations (mainly governments) about what those policies are or should be, which is a shame as I believe that there is in many cases a strong overlap in goals. W3C and other OSSO should propose to raise awareness of their agenda amongst governmental organisations so as to identify areas of agreement and on those join forces to bring the full power of technical acumen and governmental resources to bear on a number of issues (accessibility, the digital divide, etc.). The "Recent Activities" section could then come to life as a list of social issues that the W3C is addressing, rather than as "a list of stuff that happened not long ago", very rough example: * Accessibility: we're still doing WAI, and we're collaborating with DCAD; * Make the Web's constituency that of humankind: we're opening new offices, we have prices targeted by country category, we internationalise everything, we have launched an IG about Mobile Web for Social Development, we make everything we can mobile compatible; * Financial crisis: RF standards are cheaper; * Privacy: we don't read tabloids; etc. Then: "Most of the things we do are about enhanced cooperation and consensus building. Inclusiveness is a key word at W3C." Please! There has to be a way to phrase this that doesn't sound like cookie-cutter corporate communication on hash :) The rest also should be more direct, and put some emphasis on whatever it is that W3C wants to be doing there aside from "participating as a stake-holder" and "encouraging the allocation of resources at appropriate levels". Marginally better, but it should be stronger on vision: "Internet and Web Open Standardisation is an important topic that the IGF need discuss. As such, W3C is committed to exposing its vision to the IGF, and conversely encourages participation from IGF and UN stake-holders in setting its own agenda. Our eGov activity, where policy makers and technologists from all continents [including a delegation of penguins and glaciologists from Antartica] confer to better serve citizens, would constitute an ideal location to cross-pollinate our social visions." Etc. Anyway, I don't think that the document as it stands will convince anybody. I know it's the UN but even they respond to pragmatic, engaged opinions! * I just made that up but it would be nice if there were a definition of what an open standard is, and if the organisations that adhere to those principles had their own gang properly advertised to separate themselves from industry fora - right now no one understands the difference. PS: oh, and it's not over 350 members, it's over 400! PPS: sorry, I have to be regrets again for the call, I'm travelling -- Robin Berjon - http://berjon.com/ Feel like hiring me? Go to http://robineko.com/
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