- From: Jose M. Alonso <josema@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:49:33 +0100
- To: eGov IG <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
- Cc: Kevin Novak <kevinnovak@aia.org>, John Sheridan <John.Sheridan@nationalarchives.gov.uk>
Draft minutes available at:
http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-egov-minutes
and as text below.
They'll be declared final on Friday first in my morning (CET), so any
comments by then please.
Next Group meeting: 18 Feb 2009; 14:00Z
Summary (hope I got it right):
* Reviewed all actions, most stay as is
* Some people volunteered to develop some document sections further
and start discussion about them on the listserv
+ Identification and Authentication (Daniel)
+ Your Website is your API (John, Daniel)
+ Long term data management (Chris)
+ Social Media, Participation (Rachel)
* RESOLUTION: 25 February is deadline to provide content for the FPWD
* Participation, social media, transparency, OGD... topics of high
interest, booking more time for them on the F2F agenda
* Owen, Rachel, outreaching to more people working on those topics to
have them attending the F2F
* Discussion on the importance of making aware people setting up the
social networks group at W3C or take care ourselves of specific eGov
issues related to social networks
+ Jose to invite staff coordinating this to join a Group call
* All interested in using social media tools for the Group's benefit
and fun
+ we need a tag
+ chris to open a facebook group
-- Jose
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
04 Feb 2009
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2009/02/04-egov-irc
Attendees
Present
josema, john, Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, Brand (part), Owen,
oscar, chris
Regrets
kjetil, kevin
Chair
john
Scribe
josema, john (part)
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Appoint a scribe
2. [5]Convene, agenda adjustments, new Members around?
3. [6]Open Actions
4. [7]Editor's draft
5. [8]Graduating Use Cases
6. [9]What's going on?
7. [10]F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009) -- Status Update
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 04 February 2009
<Daniel_Bennett> new member here- Daniel Bennett - Washington, DC
welcome, daniel!
Appoint a scribe
<scribe> scribe: josema
Convene, agenda adjustments, new Members around?
john: any additions?
[none heard]
john: Daniel, can you introduce yourself?
daniel: based in DC, working on Internet communication and standards
since 1993
... former co-chair of Legislative XML? at OASIS
<john> good idea
<Daniel_Bennett> jose, where is the log?
Brand: just joined the Group, co-Chairing federal community on data
interoperability
... we are organizing a conference with international speakers,
everybody interested drop me a note
Open Actions
[11]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open]
[11] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open
[john gives some context for new Members]
[19 open actions]
ACTION-3 ?
<trackbot> ACTION-3 -- Kevin Novak to get in touch with AIIM and
ASCX12 -- due 2009-01-05 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/3
[12] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/3
ACTION-14 ?
<trackbot> ACTION-14 -- John Sheridan to share how he justified the
business decision of becoming W3C Members -- due 2008-10-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/14
[13] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/14
john: this one is important and I also encourage others to think
about
action-15?
<trackbot> ACTION-15 -- Martin Mollema to elaborate on what exists
wrt 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) -- due 2008-11-12 --
OPEN
<trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/15
[14] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/15
john: martin changed jobs and is about to leave the Group
... anybody want to take responsibility for this one?
daniel: I have interest and background
<Daniel_Bennett> will work on
[15]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/15 -Daniel
[15] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/15
trackbot, comment action-15 dainel to review
<trackbot> ACTION-15 Elaborate on what exists wrt 7. Identification
and Authentication (G2C) notes added
action-19?
<trackbot> ACTION-19 -- Martin Mollema to find use case for number
9. your web site is your API -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/19
[16] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/19
action-20?
<trackbot> ACTION-20 -- John Sheridan to help with use case for
number 9. your web site is your API -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/20
[17] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/20
john: I can take these two
daniel: can also help
action-21?
<trackbot> ACTION-21 -- John Sheridan to find people within the
organization to build use case to illustrate 5. Digital Preservation
+ Authenticity + Temporal Degradation -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/21
[18] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/21
leave open, too
action-22?
<trackbot> ACTION-22 -- to find use case on 6. I.P. Expression
unassigned -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/22
[19] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/22
action-23?
<trackbot> ACTION-23 -- to find use case for 4. Data Sharing Policy
Expression -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/23
[20] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/23
action-24?
<trackbot> ACTION-24 -- Oscar Azanon Esteire to elaborate on what
exists wrt 7. Identification and Authentication (G2C) -- due
2008-11-12 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/24
[21] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/24
<Zakim> josema, you wanted to talk about use cases vs. group note
josema: most actions on use cases, given the group note development,
would it be better to put the effort there?
john: step one could be to post thoughts to the listserv as a place
to start
... maybe we could turn the actions into posting something to the
Group
... any thoughts?
[none heard]
action-27?
<trackbot> ACTION-27 -- Benjamin Nguyen to work on 12. Temporal
Data: legislation/legal and geospatial -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/27
[22] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/27
action-28?
<trackbot> ACTION-28 -- John Sheridan to work on 12. Temporal Data:
legislation/legal and geospatial -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/28
[23] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/28
action-29?
<trackbot> ACTION-29 -- John Sheridan to work on 3. Performance Data
and Citizen Choice -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/29
[24] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/29
action-31?
<trackbot> ACTION-31 -- José Manuel Alonso to find route for
SEMIC.EU to be engaged in the IG and provide cases for 1. Semantic
Interoperability -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/31
[25] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/31
action-32?
<trackbot> ACTION-32 -- José Manuel Alonso to talk to the
DBPedia/LOD people/Ivan Herman about using the Linked Data/DBPedia
approach for 10. What Data? -- due 2008-11-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/32
[26] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/32
action-34?
<trackbot> ACTION-34 -- Anne Washington to document "Handle" use for
THOMAS as use case for 2.Persistent URIs -- due 2008-11-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/34
[27] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/34
john: anne and me have been exchanging private email about this and
our projects in the UK and USA
chris:I can help with that
action-36?
<trackbot> ACTION-36 -- John Sheridan to post and ask around about
4, 6, 13 -- due 2008-11-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/36
[28] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/36
action-42?
<trackbot> ACTION-42 -- Rachel Flagg to provide use case on social
media -- due 2009-01-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/42
[29] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/42
[john on our position paper:
[30]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/papers/egov-social-ws]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/papers/egov-social-ws
rachel: if there's another W3C Group working on this we should just
coordinate
[31]social networks workshop report]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/report
[32]http://esw.w3.org/topic/SocialWebXGCharter]
[32] http://esw.w3.org/topic/SocialWebXGCharter
daniel: the general w3c social network group misses some specific
eGov issues such as the need for political jurisdiction being added
to XFN, FOAF, etc
owen: In the US some .gov agencies are blocking access to social
media sites due to security and record-keeping concerns.
john: I think this is getting increasingly important and there are
things we must want to say
... raise with them our particular eGov issues
josema: we can invite Dom to discuss more in detail, he coordinates
this area at W3C
<Owen> Other groups considering social media more generically may
not focus on government-specific policy issues.
john: I think it's a very hot topic
daniel: not anything in the agenda abut standards to communicate
with governments using this technology?
john: in terms of where we go is more about how government is
increasing the use of social media channels
john on [33]http://poit.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/]
[33] http://poit.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/
<john> [34]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7867285.stm
[34] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7867285.stm
john: different way of doing things, opening up for comments,
communicating better with people
... the report was published both, a more social media approach and
a regular one
rachel: we also have a group focusing on social media
... will try to have one of the co-Chairs attending the F2F
... interest on us producing a use case?
josema: yes
john: yes
+1000 !
<josema> +1000!
daniel: yes
rachel: I will extend an invitation to ?? at EPA to attend F2F
owen: I know one of EPA's records officers. Will ask her to
coordinate with Jeffry Levy with respect to the social media use
case.
action-43?
<trackbot> ACTION-43 -- Rachel Flagg to provide use case on \"plain
language\" -- due 2009-01-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/43
[35] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/43
rachel: this one is almost done
Editor's draft
[36]Group Note]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note
<john> I'll scribe for this bit
<john> most complete section is Open Gov Data
<john> structure of doc: intro (Kevin), modalities (John), 6 topic
areas
<john> structure agreed some months ago - aim to have first draft
done by next Monday, then suggestions from Group, then freeze at end
of Feb
<Owen> The US Fed Web Managers Council's paper on social media is
available at
[37]http://www.usa.gov/webcontent/documents/SocialMediaFed%20Govt_Ba
rriersPotentialSolutions.pdf
[37] http://www.usa.gov/webcontent/documents/SocialMediaFed%20Govt_BarriersPotentialSolutions.pdf
<john> aim to publish week before F2F in March
john: if some others are interested in contributing, just please say
so
... please review the six sections and say so, anyone?
josema: on that it's not required to do _everything_ for the FPWD
rachel: I can help with Participation??
daniel: me, too ??
john: what about interop?
... multi-channel?
... id & auth?
daniel: I can volunteer to do this one
... timeline?
[jose on timeline and differences between FPWD and final doc]
chris: I can do the long term one
john: important message for us to convey is that open standards are
key to acheive it
RESOLUTION: 25 February is deadline to provide content for the FPWD
Graduating Use Cases
->[38]http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/doc/how-does-it-work
Use Cases
[38] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/doc/how-does-it-work
[working on that, almost done, will ping the Group later in time
when ready]
What's going on?
[[+ Obama Memo: "Transparency and Open Government"
[39]http://www.govexec.com/execorders/opengov012109.pdf
[39] http://www.govexec.com/execorders/opengov012109.pdf
+ Beta version of UK POI TF Report released
[40]http://poit.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/poit/
[40] http://poit.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/poit/
+ debrief of recent UK Barcamp
[41]http://www.ukgovweb.org/
[41] http://www.ukgovweb.org/
+ upcoming US barcamps
[42]http://transparencycamp.eventbrite.com
[42] http://transparencycamp.eventbrite.com/
[43]http://barcamp.org/Government20Camp
[43] http://barcamp.org/Government20Camp
+ ePractice "Public Services 2.0" workshop
[44]http://www.epractice.eu/workshop/40
[44] http://www.epractice.eu/workshop/40
]]
john: at the barcamp two main issues where OGD and government use of
social media
... same main topics as in the POI report
... is that other people's experience wrt importance of the topics?
chris: those are very key, and I have Obama's memo on my hand now
... [scribe missed]
daniel: the issues of Open Data Standards for Gov and Social
Networking is very big, but they subsume many other issues.
rachel: huge issues for us here??
chris: "digital natives" have different expectations and are
becoming a big piece of the workforce and the culture
john: do you think that we are entering a new era in 2009 wrt these
two issues?
rachel: absolutely
... they are getting huge
daniel: one more thing, not all forms of communication have to do
with the Web, does the use of phones/SMS/iphone/WAP come up for this
group?
rachel: good point, also about getting access to the technology ??
<Daniel_Bennett> no, iphone here. Google's Android instead
F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009) -- Status Update
[45]F2F2]
[45] http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/F2F2
[josema on how the F2F is being prepared]
daniel: any formal invitation to folks in the legislative branch of
the US gov ??
josema: nope
john: in terms of Group's work and topics of interest for the
community
... I think the first two issues are the most attractive
chris: +1 to focus on those and build on the memo
daniel: how participation is different from OGD?
chris: goes across
john: participation for me is one of the outcomes you achieve when
using things like social media tools
... transparency, openness are also key things government try to
accomplish
take up next agendum
dainel: I miss metadata standardization in OGD agenda item
john: opening up the topic
rachel: I'm all for that
chris: +1
<Daniel_Bennett> daniel: +1
<john> we need a #tag
<john> for everything - twitter, flickr, youtube etc
<Daniel_Bennett> suggestion #w3cigegov
<john> what about just #egov? or too cheeky?
<john> exactly - w3c is like a gov
<john> it has its ideas about whats good for us
[on how this is already affecting the governments]
<john> ecosystem of official avenues and other places
<Daniel_Bennett> our use of Facebook, Twitter, etc should mirror
what is on the group's site and wiki
owen: we need to be clear on the vision, government records should
be posted in publicly readily shareable formats
<Daniel_Bennett> which probably reflect what government should also
do
chris: I think that's the goal, more about syndication
[all agree about using those channels beside W3C's]
john: anything else to add?
[nothing heard]
[ADJOURNED]
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