- From: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
- Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:35:20 -0500
- To: <public-egov-ig@w3.org>
- Message-id: <000901c93f64$7eb30230$7c190690$@Ambur@verizon.net>
Vassilios, I’ll look forward to seeing your use case at
http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Cases#Use_Case_Index
It would be good if your glossary were in readily sharable (XML) format
rather than merely in PDF. For example, we’re using a variation of SKOS for
the StratML glossary: http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/StratMLCoreGlossary.xml
StratML also aims to serve some of the purposes you have outlined:
http://xml.gov/stratml/index.htm#DefinitionPurposes
Owen Ambur
Co-Chair Emeritus, <http://xml.gov/index.asp> xmlCoP
Co-Chair, AIIM <http://xml.gov/stratml/index.htm> StratML Committee
Member, AIIM <http://www.aiim.org/Standards/article.aspx?ID=29284> iECM
Committee
Invited Expert, W3C <http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/> eGov IG
Membership Director, <http://firmcouncil.org/id5.html> FIRM Board
Former Project Manager, <http://et.gov/> ET.gov
<http://ambur.net/bio.htm> Brief Bio
From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Peristeras, Vassilios
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:12 AM
To: Owen Ambur; Jose M. Alonso
Cc: public-egov-ig@w3.org
Subject: conceptual model for public service
I'd like to see a use case for a model like this, to help me understand its
potential benefits.
Ok, then I could try to come up with a use case description. In brief: just
imagine the case where services are modeled following this representation
and then html descriptions available through governmental portals all over
the world, (e.g. [1]) are annotated using RDFa with the terms of the model.
We actually create semantic eGov portals that could address questions like:
· give me all services that need a valid driving-license as input,
· give me the services that are affected (changes in their
preconditions) with the change of law X that happened yesterday in the
congress,
· give me which services are available for elderly people (where
they have age>65 as a precondition) from the municipality where I live and
so on ...
But even documenting services using a common language (XML or RDFa) and
schemas may not be as trivial as it may seem, and could lead to additional
interesting use cases ...
And then we can think of the situation where more countries annotate their
services using this common, simple model. This is actually what we try to do
in some EU projects, e.g. SemanticGov or a new European project which is
about to start (“Rural Inclusion”) for promoting Pan-European eGovernment
Services (Ireland, Spain, Latvia, France, Greece). In such infrastructures,
cross-border queries become possible: e.g. give me all services within EU
that may be offered by any government to companies with less than 50
employees (precondition).
Vassilios, do you have a glossary containing definitions of each of the
elements in plain English?
Please find attached a draft glossary for the model.
At the high level the model captures the input-output-controls-resources of
a service (yes, inspired by IDEF0 modeling). I just want to focus the
discussion on the need for further work and agreement on models like this
and avoid in depth discussions about the particularities of the specific
model which can be used as an input – amongst others - to this general
discussion.
@ Jose: I have the feeling (though still need to check) through
participation and work in European eGov projects that there is already a
nuclear of W3C members organizations that could support the proposal of a
future group within W3C to work towards this direction. If this feeling is
shared with at least some of the participants of this group then I could
volunteer to initiate a more active discussion/survey to check the real
interest of more parties.
Best regards,
Vassilios
[1] http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories
-----Original Message-----
From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Owen Ambur
Sent: 03 November 2008 17:34
To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: conceptual model -- Re: types of use cases?
I'd like to see a use case for a model like this, to help me understand its
potential benefits.
Vassilios, do you have a glossary containing definitions of each of the
elements in plain English? In part 2 of the Strategy Markup Language
(StratML) standard, we plan to include the following elements that are
contained in your conceptual model:
http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/StratMLCoreGlossary.xml#InputType
http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/StratMLCoreGlossary.xml#OutputType
http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/StratMLCoreGlossary.xml#OutcomeType
In the first release of the standard, our <Stakeholder> element includes
both the Citizen as well as the Service Provider concepts contained in your
model: http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/StratMLCoreGlossary.xml#Stakeholder
In a future release, we may include an element for <Authority>, which would
include your concept of Law as well as regulation.
While the first page needs to be updated a bit to reflect the current draft
of the first release of StratML, the second page of the following graphic
depicts our preliminary thinking about the elements of the second release,
which will specify the elements of performance plans and reports:
http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/StratMLPerformancePlanCoreFrameworkV3.pdf A
simplified view of what we may call the Value Chain is provided at
http://xml.gov/stratml/draft/ValueChain.htm
Our intent is for the StratML standard to be generic enough to apply not
just to all government agencies but also all organization worldwide,
including commercial enterprises. However, the use case I have drafted for
consideration by the eGov IG is available at
http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_1_-_Strategic_Plans
Hopefully, having a clearer understanding of not only of the <Stakeholders>
but also the required <Inputs> as well as the desired <Outputs> and
<Outcomes> will eventually facilitate more rational consideration of the
distinctions between functions that are inherently governmental in nature
versus those that may more efficiently and effectively be conducted by
commercial/industrial organizations.
Owen Ambur
Co-Chair Emeritus, xmlCoP
Co-Chair, AIIM StratML Committee
Member, AIIM iECM Committee
Invited Expert, W3C eGov IG
Membership Director, FIRM Board
Former Project Manager, ET.gov
-----Original Message-----
From: public-egov-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:public-egov-ig-request@w3.org]
On Behalf Of Jose M. Alonso
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:59 AM
To: public-egov-ig@w3.org
Cc: Owen Ambur
Subject: conceptual model -- Re: types of use cases? -- Re: regrets for
today's meeting
All,
Not as an answer to Owen's message, but I'm copying below a message in the
thread that was somewhat missing. It provides a graphic that Vassilios
attached to explain the conceptual model.
It may be doable to apply that model to many other countries if kept at such
an abstract layer, not sure about the benefit though, but interesting in
learning about the experiences.
Said that, I agreed with Vassilios on that:
1) developing the model is out of scope for this Group
2) identifying there's a need for one is within scope
(if we agree on the need as a Group, of course)
Hence why I encouraged all to have this discussion in the open.
-- Jose
El 29/10/2008, a las 13:56, Peristeras, Vassilios escribió:
> Jose, thanks for the comments.
>
> To give a hands-on example, please take a look below to the model.
> The model is also available in OWL and WSML. Do you think that
> something like this may appear different in different countries? For
> the time being, we found it applicable at least to three EU countries
> where we tested it and modeled services (Greece,Cyprus,
> Italy) but I really don’t think that applying it to e.g. Africa would
> make any difference.
>
> Best regards,
> Vassilios
>
> I apologize for the teleconf today. I won’t participate but will
> follow the minutes.
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