Re: Editing TF call this Friday - January 8, 2021

Hi All,

Thank you for attending the discussion today.

Here are the minutes:

<grisha> Grisha new meeting invite- https://meet.google.com/pdx-dnmm-cen

9:04 AM → johanneswilm joined (~johanneswilm@ef89345d.public.cloak)
9:05 AM <grisha> Grisha Zakim start
9:06 AM <GameMaker> present+
9:06 AM <grisha> Grisha https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/275

9:06 AM <tilgovi> present+
9:06 AM <grisha> Grisha present+
9:06 AM <comandeer> present+
9:09 AM <BoCupp> present+
9:11 AM <grisha> Grisha johanneswilm: two input event specs, level 1 and b/c Chrome couldn't make some of the editing commands cancellable. Safari implemented and FF is currently working on and found out that Chrome has actually made all events except IME events cancellable. My proposal for resolution is for cancellable events to be moved into event level 1.
9:11 AM grisha: i support the proposal since this was the original plan all along.
9:12 AM and it aligns with Safari and FF implementations.
9:14 AM <BoCupp> q+ can I get a clarification on Safari behavior
9:14 AM → snianu and alex_ joined
9:15 AM <grisha> Grisha whsieh: Safari makes all text command events to be cancellable except compositionupdate events.
9:16 AM https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/1585167

9:18 AM <whsieh> present+
9:25 AM <grisha> Grisha grisha: since the behavior is pretty much the same, can we just keep level one?
9:25 AM BoCupp:  we could keep the spec but recommend using Level 2 instead.
9:27 AM BoCupp: there is one insertCompositionText is cancellable in Blink and that is not the case in Chrome.
9:27 AM sorry, not Blink but Webkit
9:30 AM whsieh: insertFromCompositiontext is actually cancellable and not inserCompositionText
9:31 AM <whsieh> s/insertFromCompositiontext/insertFromComposition/
9:32 AM <grisha> Grisha BoCupp: Chrome is not firing insertFromCompositionText. Level 2 has this event type called insertFromComposition
9:32 AM <BoCupp> FYI referencing this: https://www.w3.org/TR/input-events-2/#interface-InputEvent-Attributes

9:34 AM <grisha> Grisha BoCupp: I am not aware if there is anything that prevents us from making insertFromComposition cancellable. Alex or Anupam on my team could take it as a research item.
9:35 AM johanneswilm: recalls that the concern was in the long running compositions.
9:37 AM RESOLUTION: drop Level 1 and keep level 2.
9:38 AM johanneswilm:  to make sure there are no other events in chrome that are not interoprerable
9:39 AM Issue 2: should Editing TF form it's own WG?
9:40 AM grisha: creating a new working group adds overhead without getting clear benefit. I propose that we keep things as is.
9:43 AM johanneswilm: I am in favor if its beneficial to the community.
9:44 AM <BoCupp> https://www.w3.org/2019/Process-20190301/#maturity-levels

9:46 AM <grisha> Grisha ACTION: johanneswilm and grisha will meet with W3C folks next week to get the details.
9:51 AM snianu: VKAPI still waiting on Safari and FF to start a discussion on outstanding issues from the feedback from TPAC.
9:52 AM alex_: working on Edge prototype to upstream to Chromium.
9:52 AM alex_: also working on Monaco editor prototype.
9:53 AM for both APIs, will be working on the specs.
10:02 AM ⇐ comandeer and whsieh quit
10:02 AM <tilgovi> end the meeting
10:02 AM ⇐ alex_ quit (~alex@ef89345d.public.cloak) Ping timeout: 180 seconds
10:02 AM <tilgovi> (I may not be able to do that, but figured I'd try anyway.)
10:03 AM Zakim, end the meeting
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From: Grisha Lyukshin <Grisha.Lyukshin@microsoft.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 8:16 PM
To: public-editing-tf@w3.org <public-editing-tf@w3.org>; mail@johanneswilm.org <mail@johanneswilm.org>
Subject: Editing TF call this Friday - January 8, 2021


Hi All,

Apologies for the late notice.

For the upcoming meeting this Friday there are only couple of items on the agenda:

  1.  https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/275<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fediting%2Fissues%2F275&data=04%7C01%7CGrisha.Lyukshin%40microsoft.com%7Ca3b26795df5148031dce08d8b38c4cc6%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637456762470999371%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=bGdhJ9HJUE%2BfcpImJe%2FP25UxTte1mXZztPe6FqUuYoo%3D&reserved=0>
  2.  W3C was asking if Editing group would want to branch out and establish our own WG. We could put this up for discussion as well.
  3.  EditContextAPI and VirtualKeyboardAPI update.

If you have something to discuss, please bring your topics to the meeting.


Meeting details:

When: Friday, January 8, at 9:00AM (PST)

Where:
We received feedback that people were not able to open meeting invite. So here is the link<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalendar.google.com%2Fcalendar%3Fcid%3DMTdsbXUzcGh2aGpoZWgyaXU5Y2JqaWZyN2NAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ&data=04%7C01%7CGrisha.Lyukshin%40microsoft.com%7Ca3b26795df5148031dce08d8b38c4cc6%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637456762471009365%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=a1todz8DAiKJCLEqPMjZU%2BwnCo22oWWJamvcgwa0P9s%3D&reserved=0> to the Editing group calendar that contains meeting information.

IRC:
irc.w3.org<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Firc.w3.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7CGrisha.Lyukshin%40microsoft.com%7Ca3b26795df5148031dce08d8b38c4cc6%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637456762471009365%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=OAjoaqYowWAbhpmaYV2IwoCQLnRjejz%2F7BrEpMNXPDw%3D&reserved=0>
#editing


Proposed Meeting Structure:

  *   Last minute agenda items and diversions
  *   Issue by issue discussion
  *   Expectations for issues:
  *   can we close the issue?
  *   can we move it to the future?
  *   can we define a clear next step and timeframe?

Thanks,
Johannes and Grisha