Re: Meeting in California, July 29 Re: meeting in Berlin (late May or June)?

On Tue, 31 May 2016 01:27:39 +0200, Ojan Vafai <ojan@google.com> wrote:

> Seems to me like we should stick with the 29th.

That's always the sensible default for a situation like this.

:(

cheers

> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 11:40 AM Dave Tapuska <dtapuska@chromium.org>  
> wrote:
>
>> That conflicts with my attendance to the pointer events hackaton at
>> Microsoft;
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2016AprJun/0170.html.
>> As previously indicated I was trying to get the editing and pointer  
>> events
>> in one west coast trip.
>>
>> But again whatever works for the group is best.
>>
>> dave.
>>
>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Chaals McCathie Nevile <
>> chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 May 2016 19:27:50 +0200, Gary Kačmarčík (Кошмарчик) <
>>> garykac@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 29 July 2016 is a Friday
>>>> 31 July 2016 is a Sunday
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. Now that I learned to read the months on a calendar, let me  
>>> rephrase
>>> the request…
>>>
>>> Is it possible for those planning to attend, and for the hosts, to move
>>> the editing meeting to 26 July?
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 6:44 AM, Chaals McCathie Nevile <
>>>> chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> it turns out that a Service Workers meeting was scheduled at the same
>>>>> time
>>>>> :( Is it possible for people to move this meeting to Friday 31 July?
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2016 10:42:29 +0200, Chaals McCathie Nevile <
>>>>> chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Google has confirmed that they can host this meeting - logistics to  
>>>>> come
>>>>>
>>>>>> soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've put up a meeting page with an agenda at
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/WebPlatformWG/blob/gh-pages/meetings/16-07-29-Editing.md
>>>>>> (and linked from our WG meetings page
>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/WebPlatformWG/blob/gh-pages/Meetings.md
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please add your name via Pull Request if you plan to attend, or let  
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> know and I will add it for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ditto for further agenda proposals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chaals
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 09 May 2016 18:19:27 +0100, Chaals McCathie Nevile <
>>>>>> chaals@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we'll have a meeting in California Bay Area on July 29. I'll set  
>>>>>>> up a
>>>>>>> meeting page later today, initially based on the following as a  
>>>>>>> draft
>>>>>>> agenda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have an offer to try and host, but if anyone can definitely  
>>>>>>> host (I
>>>>>>> don't expect more than a dozen people, and we need tea, coffee,  
>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> to eat lunch) please let us know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chaals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 23:44:58 +0100, Johannes Wilm <
>>>>>>> mail@johanneswilm.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Dragging and dropping:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- What should the order of the events be and in what spec should
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> placed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Clipboard events:
>>>>>>>> -- Should paste and cut have beforeInput events?
>>>>>>>> -- If yes, should these be cancelable? Only in cE=events or also  
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> cE=true?
>>>>>>>> -- Should copy also have a beforeInput event? If yes, also if  
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> editing host involved?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3.  History handling (undo/redo)
>>>>>>>> -- What should the relationship between browser-controlled editing
>>>>>>>> history
>>>>>>>> and beforeInput event be? Should redo/undo have beforeInput  
>>>>>>>> events?
>>>>>>>> -- If JS handles beforeInput events, should the browser try to  
>>>>>>>> figure
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> what changes were made? Is that technically possible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4. Non-cancelable event
>>>>>>>> -- Previously we talked about the beforeInput event not being
>>>>>>>> cancelable
>>>>>>>> during a composition. With the splitting of the event into one  
>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> ui-events spec and the other in the Input events spec, the  
>>>>>>>> cancelable
>>>>>>>> attribute is in the ui events spec and the isComposing is in the
>>>>>>>> Input
>>>>>>>> events spec. In the ui-events spec the event is marked as always
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> cancelable. Will this work, or do we need to specify that it is  
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> cancelable during composition?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5. static ranges
>>>>>>>> -- A non-finalized proposal has been made by the browser meeting  
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> January
>>>>>>>> [1] and there is also FrozenArray (?) [2].
>>>>>>>> -- We have moved back and forth between ranges on most beforeInput
>>>>>>>> events
>>>>>>>> or only using it if it differs from the current selection. We  
>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>> decide one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 6. Opt-in/opt-out of editing features and menus
>>>>>>>> Context menus currently exist for formatting (on Safari) and for
>>>>>>>> clipboard
>>>>>>>> related actions (other browsers)
>>>>>>>> -- These three points could possibly be combined into a proposal  
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> for everyone:
>>>>>>>> A. JS editor developers have asked for a way to be able to disable
>>>>>>>> context
>>>>>>>> menus (especially on mobile).
>>>>>>>> B. Hallvord Steen (Clipboard API) has defined a way to define how  
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> disable clipboard actions in the standard context menu  
>>>>>>>> (beforeCopy,
>>>>>>>> beforePaste, etc. events which are triggered at the moment the  
>>>>>>>> menu
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> potentially shown) but he is not happy with the implementation and
>>>>>>>> wonders
>>>>>>>> if we could do something better in the editing taskforce.
>>>>>>>> C. It has been proposed at the editing meeting at TPAC to create a
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> opt-in/out of features which would then also disable/enable
>>>>>>>> corresponding
>>>>>>>> editing menus [3].
>>>>>>>> -- Which spec should this go into? (input events being one option)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7. Relation to execCommand
>>>>>>>> -- Does it really make sense to try to cover all execCommand  
>>>>>>>> commands
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> beforeInput types [4]? How about "copy" which doesn't change the
>>>>>>>> DOM, or
>>>>>>>> commands such as "insertImage" or "foreColor" which will recreate
>>>>>>>> custom UI
>>>>>>>> anyway?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/104
>>>>>>>> [2] https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/113
>>>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/93
>>>>>>>> [4] https://github.com/w3c/editing/issues/79
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
>>>>>  chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
>>>  chaals@yandex-team.ru - - - Find more at http://yandex.com
>>>
>>>
>>


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