- From: Hadley Beeman <hadley@linkedgov.org>
- Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 19:38:08 +0000
- To: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, Public DWBP WG <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAKK2BTtiAMGq7VC0cLXk7dS+gXsD7mWnzuqRjXBoSbphVehBog@mail.gmail.com>
Lovely summary. Thanks Phil! -H Le Fri, 25 Nov 2016 à 15:40, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> a écrit : > The minutes of today's auspicious meeting are at > https://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-dwbp-minutes with a snapshot below. > > We have resolved to publish new versions of both vocabularies and seek > transition to PR for the BP doc, having collected substantial evidence > of implementation and relevant documentation. Eric is checking his > resolution to 2 final issues and, assuming that goes to plan, the DUV is > complete. If further work is necessary, we'll hold a call just on that > topic. > > Everyone expressed heartfelt thanks to everyone concerned, especially > the editors, for putting in so much work. > > > Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference > > 25 Nov 2016 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20161125 > > See also: [3]IRC log > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-dwbp-irc > > Attendees > > Present > ericstephan, hadleybeeman, riccardoAlbertoni, PhilA, > newton, Caroline_, BernadetteLoscio, annette_g, Makx, > deirdrelee > > Regrets > Laufer > > Chair > Hadley > > Scribe > PhilA > > Contents > > * [4]Topics > 1. [5]Precious call minutes > 2. [6]BP Transition > 3. [7]Data Quality vocabulary > 4. [8]Dataset usage Vocabulary > * [9]Summary of Action Items > * [10]Summary of Resolutions > __________________________________________________________ > > <scribe> scribe: PhilA > > <scribe> scribeNick: phila > > <hadleybeeman> Phila is a bit early :) > > [Discussion of the wish list] > [11]https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Wish_List > > [11] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Wish_List > > Precious call minutes > > <hadleybeeman> s/precious/previous > > -> [12]https://www.w3.org/2016/11/11-dwbp-minutes Minutes from > 11/11/16 > > [12] https://www.w3.org/2016/11/11-dwbp-minutes > > NOTUC on previous minutes? > > RESOLUTION: Accept previous meeting minutes > > BP Transition > > BernadetteLoscio: I think we're ready and I think Carol and > Newton agree > > <BernadetteLoscio> > [13]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-implementation-report.html > > [13] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-implementation-report.html > > -> > [14]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-implementation-report.html > Implementation report > > [14] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-implementation-report.html > > BernadetteLoscio: We tried to explain the methodology and the > kinds of evidence that we collected > ... In 2.1 we show the relation between BP and evidence > ... considering datasets, guidelines and docs > ... for some BPs it's easy to show, Others are more difficult > ... BP28 is the most difficult on ewhich is about assessing > datasets coverage as it's hard to find real implementation for > this as it's very specific. > ... But it is relevant and we showed that it is possible to do > and we have agreement that it's important > ... We have the lost of evidence, a link for each one > ... That section 2.2 - 2.4 > ... Also have guidelines from Share-PSI etc. > ... Included a section with some graphics to show which BPs > have more evidence. Also tried to show that we have... > ... First graph shows all evidence, 2nd for datasets and > portals, 3rd for.. > ... Also made a cross ref between BPs and challenges > ... After the graphics we tried to analyse the evidence that we > collected. We want to show that preservation is not difficult > to implement, just hard to find evidence of implementation. > ... This section needs to be finished. > ... We evaluated data catalogue solutions - CKAN and Socrata - > you can see... > > <BernadetteLoscio> > [15]https://docs.google.com/a/cin.ufpe.br/spreadsheets/d/18Gz0n > 9HOmeSPjo6qChhXdtPeOBf9kl1mFlA-KkqxP24/edit?usp=sharing > > [15] > > https://docs.google.com/a/cin.ufpe.br/spreadsheets/d/18Gz0n9HOmeSPjo6qChhXdtPeOBf9kl1mFlA-KkqxP24/edit?usp=sharing > > BernadetteLoscio: Plan is to convert the Google doc into an > HTML table > ... We wanted to show that CKAN and Socrata supports BPs even > if a specific publishers doesn't follow them. > ... We wanted to end with a summary of how to implement each BP > and proof that we've done it. > ... We're working on this implementation to show a step by step > guide of how we implemented each BP. > ... We can therefore show that each BP is implementable > > newton: We are making subtle changes like swapping Google Docs > for HTML but that's cosmetic > > hadleybeeman: Thank you. This is a huge amount of work. The > most thorough I've seen. > ... The table at section 2.1 is what the Director will focus > on. > ... There may be questions like why does BP28 only have 3 when > others have more - but you can answer that verbally. > ... The last thing you said - about BPs being implementable - > by showing that others have done it, we've already proved that. > > BernadetteLoscio: It's because I'm worried about BP28 where we > only have 1 evidence from a dataset and 2 from documents/blogs > ... it's a site > ... This implementation was made by someone else (not us) > ... So we thought that it would be nice to show that someone > else has done everything. > > hadleybeeman: I think that's a user. Someone has used it - > good. But you've already proved that it's implementable. > > BernadetteLoscio: Can we stillwork on the implementation report > up until the Director meeting? > > <annette_g> Does anyone else see "The DocumentView interface is > not supported > > <annette_g> Non-W3C methods of obtaining "window" also failed" > when they open the editor's draft? > > BernadetteLoscio: We can probably add more evidence. I;ve > written to Christophe, for example > > hadleybeeman: The IR can be edited up until the Director's > call, it's not a formal document. > ... That said, we need to vote on the BPs based on what we have > at the time of the vote > ... I would also recommend... assuming we go ahead, as you > prepare for the Director's call, be ready for questions you can > predict you're going to get. > ... You can put info in the doc if you want to but it may not > be read. > > BernadetteLoscio: It's not a Note, but we can still make it > available, no? > > phila: Yes, I'll put it in /2016/11/{blah} > > <newton> +1 phil :-) > > BernadetteLoscio: Do you think its worth including the data > catalogues evaluation? > ... IU think it shows that they're available in the solutions > that are widely used. They're not currently in the evidence > table. > ... It's another level > > hadleybeeman: Phil said it can be on the Web, so it's out > there. You can do what you like with it. > ... If you want to add, close off etc. you can > > BernadetteLoscio: But for Director's call, it's the table in > section 2.1 that's most important > > hadleybeeman: Yep, and 2.2 explains 2.1 > ... It's a very good doc and very thorough > > <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to discuss nitpicking > > antoine: It's a very good doc. > ... Just one comment - on the graphics in section 3 > ... I'm not sure why the no. evidences is in a differnet > diagram > ... It's because not all docs have references > ... It looks a bit different from the other one which makes it > look as if there's a difference in the methodology. > ... It looks as if you're trying to hid something when in fact > you're trying to explain. > > BernadetteLoscio: Is it a problem that we don't havea docs and > ref for each BP? > > antoine: No, as long as there's another kind of evidence > > BernadetteLoscio: This type of evidence is a kind of support. > ... Our main concern was to have datasets and data portals for > each BP > > antoine: I'm already convinced. > ... On the number of evidence per challenge > ... I'm concerned that this diagram over emphasises the smaller > level of evidence for BP28 > ... It highlights data preservation prob even more > > BernadetteLoscio: I agree. I had similar thoughts when I saw > it. > > antoine: In 2.3 there's a really weird link for ??? > > <hadleybeeman> q/ > > [Discussion - the hash bang URL is fine] > > <hadleybeeman> phila: This document... we can put it on the > web. It is linked from the PR and the actual recommendation. It > is part of the documentation. > > <Makx> q > > hadleybeeman: have all comments received been addressed? Is > there a disposition of comments? > > BernadetteLoscio: We received some comments but they were not > to change the content > ... We had a message from Christophe but he was thinking that > we were still in the previous phase, but he made some commetns > adn suggestions for fixing some minor mistakes > > hadleybeeman: And do we have a message from the commenters that > they're happy with our response. > > BernadetteLoscio: They were about fixing a word or two > ... I answered saying that we're going to fix it, it's not > about making a proposal. > > annette_g: I wanted to point out the restrictions on the Google > doc prevent us getting in > > <Caroline_> > [16]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-implementation-report.html > > [16] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-implementation-report.html > > annette_g: Can it be linked from the regular WG homepage so we > can get to it. > ... There's a link to the IR but it goes to the Google doc > ... Oh, no, it goes somewhere else > > hadleybeeman: So we need a message from Christophe confirming > that he's happy > > BernadetteLoscio: I'll collect the messages > ... I'll do it the same way as last time on a wiki page > > <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about Wendy Carrera > [17]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2 > 016Nov/0001.html > > [17] > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2016Nov/0001.html > > <hadleybeeman> phila: Wendy's comments are more than editorial. > She runs the European Data Portal. > > On Wendy's mail, yes, we can point to > [18]https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#LocaleParametersMetadata about > locale-neutral data. We could talk about her comment on > multilingualism. I don't think that we can add in a line about > multilingual labels in data at this stage but I'm not sure this > is where that belongs anyway - I'd say that's in vocabulary > development. I'd be happy to amend this sentence in BP 15: > > [18] https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#LocaleParametersMetadata > > " In the context of the Web, using unambiguous, Web-based > identifiers (URIs) for standardized vocabulary resources is an > efficient way to do this." > > to say > > " In the context of the Web, using unambiguous, Web-based > identifiers (URIs) for standardized vocabulary resources is an > efficient way to do this, noting that the same URI may have > multilingaul labels attached for greater cross-border > interoperability." > > (Or some such small addition in that general area of the doc). > > On DCAT-AP, I thought we'd mentioned it somewhere but a quick > search shows me to be mistaken. We could perhaps amend BP 1 so > that the current: > > <hadleybeeman> Phila: She made a couple of comments on her > email. I have a few suggestions on how to reply. But we do need > her to then say, "that helps" > > "when defining machine-readable metadata, reusing existing > standard terms and popular vocabularies are strongly > recommended. For example, Dublin Core Metadata (DCMI) terms > DCTERMS] and Data Catalog Vocabulary [VOCAB-DCAT] can be used > to provide descriptive metadata." > > becomes > > "when defining machine-readable metadata, reusing existing > standard terms and popular vocabularies are strongly > recommended. For example, Dublin Core Metadata (DCMI) terms > DCTERMS] and Data Catalog Vocabulary [VOCAB-DCAT] can be used > to provide descriptive metadata. Such vocabularies are designed > to be very flexible so it is often helpful to use a specific > /profile/ of a vocabulary such as the European Commission's > DCAT-AP (link)." > > <hadleybeeman> ...Her second comment was to comment DCAT-AP. > Which we haven't yet. > > <hadleybeeman> ...I think that's as far as we can go to address > those at this point. > > <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: I thought her comment meant > changes to the implementation report > > <hadleybeeman> phila: I think we can get away with these minor > changes to the BP doc. > > <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: So you can help us to answer > her message? > > <hadleybeeman> phila: I'll make those changes to the doc and > confirm them with Wendy > > <scribe> ACTION: phila to act on Wendy Carrera's comments > suggested and write to her [recorded in > [19]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-dwbp-minutes.html#action01] > > [19] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-dwbp-minutes.html#action01] > > <trackbot> Created ACTION-303 - Act on wendy carrera's comments > suggested and write to her [on Phil Archer - due 2016-12-02]. > > BernadetteLoscio: I'll take another look at the mailing list. > > <Caroline_> [20]https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/pull/473 > > [20] https://github.com/w3c/dwbp/pull/473 > > newton: We had pull requests from Andrew Kirkpatrick, from > Adobe that changed a link. Do we include that as a comment > > hadleybeeman: I'd point to that and say that we accepted their > proposal > > Makx: Just one comment on section 4 of the implementation > report. You're making statements about a product that might not > be in line with their view. If you publish without asking them, > you might get into trouble. > ... You're matching a BP against a product - the vendor might > object to that. > > BernadetteLoscio: I see that. We've finished this evaluation > yesterday. We're going to contact the vendors and see if they > agree with this. > ... If not, we won't include it. > > <riccardoAlbertoni> just delete the column about fail > > hadleybeeman: A suggestion - we need to show evidence - not all > evidence will be relevant. > > <ericstephan> +1 hadleybeeman > > <Makx> +1 to hadley > > hadleybeeman: You could remove the fail column > > <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 > > <Caroline_> +1 :) > > hadleybeeman: Just keep provides evidence, provides partial > evidence instead of "pass" and "partial pass" > ... That's less confrontational > > BernadetteLoscio: Instead of pass/fail, we can just say which > solutions implement which BPs > ... Like in 2.2 > > <Makx> that's OK > > hadleybeeman: That would work too. > > <riccardoAlbertoni> \me the same here > > annette_g: One little thing that I think we can take care of. > The editor's draft in Safari I get javascript errors. But it > works in Chrome and FF > > phila: I believe that problem will disappear in the published > version in which ReSpec disappears > > <newton> @annette_g, would you mind chatting a little on skype > to show me those errors? > > PROPOSED: Accept comments from Christophe G and Wendy C that > will lead to very minor tweaks to the BP doc > > <annette_g> what if commenters aren't happy with our changes? > > <annette_g> :) > > +1 > > <ericstephan> +1 > > <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 > > <newton> +1 > > <hadleybeeman> +1 > > <annette_g> +1 > > <deirdrelee> +1 > > RESOLUTION: Accept comments from Christophe G and Wendy C that > will lead to very minor tweaks to the BP doc > > <Makx> +1 > > <BernadetteLoscio> +1 > > <Caroline_> +1 > > <annette_g> but Wendy may be trying to get us to add a BP about > multilingual publishing > > <hadleybeeman> @annette_g, in which case we'd have to back and > do CR again. > > PROPOSED: That subject to positive replies from Wendy C and > Christophe G, the WG will seek transition of the BP doc to > Proposed Recommendation, noting the extensive evidence of > implementation that has been gathered > > <hadleybeeman> +1 > > <annette_g> +1 > > <ericstephan> +1 in the season of hope > > <Caroline_> +1 > > <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 > > <newton> +1 > > <Makx> +1 > > <BernadetteLoscio> +1 > > <antoine> +1 > > <deirdrelee> +1 > > RESOLUTION: That subject to positive replies from Wendy C and > Christophe G, the WG will seek transition of the BP doc to > Proposed Recommendation, noting the extensive evidence of > implementation that has been gathered > > <BernadetteLoscio> uhhuhuhuuhuhuhuhuhu > > <riccardoAlbertoni> congrats!!!! > > <ericstephan> woot woot > > <newton> :-) :-) > > <annette_g> PROPOSED: A vote of thanks to editors for putting > together a fantastic implementation report! > > <hadleybeeman> +1 > > <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 > > <annette_g> +1 > > +1 > > <ericstephan> +1 > > <Makx> +1 > > <deirdrelee> +1 :) > > <antoine> +1 :-) > > <newton> thanks! :-) > > RESOLUTION: A vote of thanks to editors for putting together a > fantastic implementation report! > > Data Quality vocabulary > > <BernadetteLoscio> thanks a lot everybody! > > <Caroline_> Thank you! Great job all members of the WG :)))))) > > hadleybeeman: DQV editors, would you like to publish a new > verrsion of DQV? > > antoine: Yes > ... All we changed was a couple of mappings in mapping to the > ISO quality dimensions > > riccardoAlbertoni: And we changed data usage to dataset usage > > hadleybeeman: Are there any other changes? > ... Are there any other comments? > > riccardoAlbertoni: We collected some new implementations in the > wiki > > antoine: There are some old comments for which we didn't > receive precise feedback to your replies, but we're thinking of > adding to the WG's wishlist > > hadleybeeman: So you're saying that even though you don't have > confirmation from the commenters, after allowing good time, you > want to go ahead > > PROPOSED: That the current Editor's Draft of the Data Quality > Vocabulary be published as an updated Note > > <hadleybeeman> +1 > > <deirdrelee> +1 > > <Makx> +1 > > <annette_g> +1 > > <antoine> +1 > > <newton> +1 > > <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 > > <BernadetteLoscio> +1 > > <ericstephan> +1 > > <Caroline_> +1 > > RESOLUTION: That the current Editor's Draft of the Data Quality > Vocabulary be published as an updated Note > > Dataset usage Vocabulary > > <annette_g> yay! > > ericstephan: I'd like to mention the ongoing discussion with > Andrea P > ... Andrea has been excellent at providing feedback on the DUV > ... He pointed out an inconsistency in data usage and dataset > usage > ... He was asking about the relationship with DQV > ... I was thinking these might be good topics for a summary > document that we could publish cf. putting in the doc. > ... Andrea has also pointed out some errors in usage of > dct:identifier > ... So I'd like permission to check with the SPARK ontology > editors > ... We have a stable version of the doc, it's been stable since > August. What I'd like is permission to publish with the > examples fixed. > > hadleybeeman: Typos, yes. What's the discussion with SPARK > ontology editors. How different could that make the doc? > > ericstephan: Our team has been working with SPARK for a while. > ... It's just making sure that we use the correct property in > the way that SPARK would like to use it > ... If it's not something that we can verify, I'd just take the > property out of the example. > > <hadleybeeman> phila: is this dcterms:identifier? > > <hadleybeeman> eric: no > > <hadleybeeman> phila: In the resolution, we can note tis is an > ongoing discussion. Subject to simple resolution of the issue > with vero:isReferencedby, and the one on dcterms:identifier, > the group is happy. > > <hadleybeeman> ...If that isn't simply resolved, we could > reconvene just before the end of Dec. > > Makx: I read Andrea's comment, I think biro is an indirection > (pointing to a record) > > ericstephan: That's what I think we're doing > ... I just want to double check > ... Worst case, we go back and use dct:isReferencedBy but I > don't think that's correct > > hadleybeeman: We could resolve to publish now and come back if > we have to > > phila: True > > <hadleybeeman> phila: Eric, if you make a snapshot copy before > you make any changes, I'll use that one. > > <hadleybeeman> ...But you're hoping not to make changes, right? > > <hadleybeeman> ericstephan: Right > > <Makx> Eric, I think you do use biro:isReferencedBy > incorrectly; your object is a fabio:InstructionalWork not a > bibliographic record > > hadleybeeman: We could vote on what there is, and come back for > another meeting is we have to > > ericstephan: Makx also provided some guidance in IRC > ... If it blows up, we'd just remove anything that seems to be > controversial, that's how I'd contain it > > hadleybeeman: Are you talking about removing a term, that's > substantial. > > ericstephan: I want to do the right thing but I also want to > respect the timing > > Makx: Just to say to Eric, it's not a question of changing the > vocab, it's just changing the example > ... I was looking at the diagram - that is correct. The example > is in conflict with the diagram > ... The diagram references a biro prop, in the example, you > make a reference to a ?? work > ... The consequence is for the example > > ericstephan: That gives me hope. > > <BernadetteLoscio> +1 > > PROPOSED: To publish the editor's draft of the Dataset Usage > Vocabulary, pending the fixing of typos > > <Caroline_> +1 > > <hadleybeeman> +1 > > <ericstephan> +1 > > hadleybeeman: Please, ericstephan, get back to us by Wednesday > (Europe) if you need a meting next Friday. > > <BernadetteLoscio> +1 > > <annette_g> +1 > > <Makx> +1 > > phila: Either way, we're only going to publish one new version, > not two. > > <ericstephan> [21]https://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocabs/duv > > [21] https://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocabs/duv > > RESOLUTION: To publish the editor's draft of the Dataset Usage > Vocabulary, pending the fixing of typos > > <hadleybeeman> yeay!!! > > ericstephan: LOV did publish our vocab but since we didn't > publish the other vocabs, it looks tiny. Can we improve that > > <Zakim> newton, you wanted to discuss the last and very quick > question - can we add more evidence for Data Preservation BPs? > > <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk LOV > > <hadleybeeman> phila: sure > > <hadleybeeman> phila: I see what ericstephan means. The number > of terms DUV defines is small. > > -> [22]https://www.w3.org/ns/duv Namespace > > [22] https://www.w3.org/ns/duv > > <hadleybeeman> ...Therefore, your namespace file — that's what > they look at. > > <hadleybeeman> ...They don't look at the TR space document. > > <hadleybeeman> ...There's got to be a way to do something bout > that. > > <hadleybeeman> ericstephan: I can go back to them and see what > we might do. I'll copy phila > > <hadleybeeman> phila: I can easily ad to the NS document at any > time. IT's not locked down. > > antoine: I suspect that we might be able to use a specific > field in the metadata to force the links to be recognised > > <ericstephan> yes will do! > > hadleybeeman: The queue is empty... > ... Eric, you mentioned... > ... Topics for a summary document > ... You can write a doc like an implementation report, i.e. not > a formal doc > > ericstephan: Its just a web page about the relationships or > background info > ... You can put it in the wiki etc. > > <BernadetteLoscio> I can help you Eric ;) > > hadleybeeman: The wiki is frozen when the WG closes > > <BernadetteLoscio> ok ;) thanks! > > hadleybeeman: We're 30 mins over... > ... Thank you to editors, contributors, participants > > <BernadetteLoscio> sure!!! > > hadleybeeman: We'll work on other stuff coming up > > <ericstephan> Take care and thank you all for everything! > > <deirdrelee> yay! Great work > > <Makx> OK bye bye! > > Caroline_: Thank you the chairs, Obrigado > > <Makx> Hope to see some of you next week > > <deirdrelee> see some of you next week! > > <annette_g> bye folks! > > <deirdrelee> Thanks for chairing hadleybeeman > > <hadleybeeman> bye all :) > > <hadleybeeman> thanks for co-chairing, deirdrelee and yaso! > > <hadleybeeman> :) > > <Makx> Bye > > <newton> bye and thank you all! > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: phila to act on Wendy Carrera's comments > suggested and write to her [recorded in > [23]http://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-dwbp-minutes.html#action01] > > [23] http://www.w3.org/2016/11/25-dwbp-minutes.html#action01 > > Summary of Resolutions > > 1. [24]Accept previous meeting minutes > 2. [25]Accept comments from Christophe G and Wendy C that will > lead to very minor tweaks to the BP doc > 3. [26]That subject to positive replies from Wendy C and > Christophe G, the WG will seek transition of the BP doc to > Proposed Recommendation, noting the extensive evidence of > implementation that has been gathered > 4. [27]A vote of thanks to editors for putting together a > fantastic implementation report! > 5. [28]That the current Editor's Draft of the Data Quality > Vocabulary be published as an updated Note > 6. [29]To publish the editor's draft of the Dataset Usage > Vocabulary, pending the fixing of typos > > [End of minutes] > __________________________________________________________ > >
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