- From: Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:32:18 -0400
- To: Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com>
- Cc: Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>, "Carlos Iglesias" <carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>, Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, Diego May <diego.may@junar.com>, "Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>, Kevin Merritt <kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, Marcio Vasconcelos <Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, "DWBP Public List" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>, Rich Robbins <rich@nucivic.com>, Sid Burgess <Sid.Burgess@govdelivery.com>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, "Tim Davies" <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>, "Katelyn Rogers" <katelyn.rogers@okfn.org>
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Super! That's 2 out of 4.
Katelyn, could you put us in touch with whomever is "running" CKAN at Open
Knowledge Foundation to see if they would be interested in joining Junar
and NuCivic in their support of Open Data Standard Metadata to measure
aggregate utilization?
Thanks Andrew!
Best Regards,
Steve
Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
From: Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com>
To: Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, Diego May <diego.may@junar.com>
Cc: Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Bernadette Farias
Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>, "Carlos Iglesias"
<carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>, Daniel Dietrich
<daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, "Jose M. Alonso"
<josema@webfoundation.org>, Kevin Merritt
<kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, Marcio Vasconcelos
<Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>,
"ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net"
<odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, Phil Archer
<phila@w3.org>, "DWBP Public List" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>,
sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, "Tim Davies"
<tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S"
<ZeitzPS@state.gov>, Rich Robbins <rich@nucivic.com>, Sid
Burgess <Sid.Burgess@govdelivery.com>
Date: 09/23/2015 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on
Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on
the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development
Steve, Phil, Diego,
Count us in. This seems to us extremely important work, and we'd like to
roll up our sleeves and help, and to support natively in DKAN any
new Dataset Usage Vocabulary that may be established.
Best,
Andrew
From: Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:35 AM
To: Diego May
Cc: Andrew Hoppin; Barbara Ubaldi; Bernadette Farias Lóscio; Carlos
Iglesias; Daniel Dietrich; Jose M. Alonso; Kevin Merritt; Marcio
Vasconcelos; ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net; Phil Archer; DWBP Public
List; sumandro; Tim Davies; Zeitz, Paul S
Subject: Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on
Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data
Revolution for Sustainable Development
Great. We are happy to share our Vocabulary draft with Junar and hope
that NuCivic, Socrata, and CKAN will also participate. Furthermore, we
hope that members of the Open Data Charter Stewardship Group will also
provide input.
Thanks Diego!
Best Regards,
Steve
Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
Diego May ---09/15/2015 11:29:53 AM---Hi all, I do agree in the importance
of talking about OD utilization, statistics,
From:
Diego May <diego.may@junar.com>
To:
Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
Cc:
Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com>, Barbara
Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Carlos Iglesias
<carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>, Daniel Dietrich
<daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, "Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>,
Kevin Merritt <kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, Marcio Vasconcelos
<Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net"
<odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, DWBP Public List
<public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, Tim Davies
<tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>
Date:
09/15/2015 11:29 AM
Subject:
Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled
Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution
for Sustainable Development
Hi all,
I do agree in the importance of talking about OD utilization, statistics,
metadata and more. Just let me know if there is any call or any specific
question we can work on to help.
Have a great day,
Diego
Diego May
Co-founder & CEO
Junar, Open Data Made Simple
Twitter @Junar @diegomay :: Blog Blog.junar.com :: Linkedin Diegohmay
Post acerca de Datos Abiertos :: ¿Cambiará la democracia en próximos
años?
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>
wrote: Hi Steve,
Thanks a lot for helping us to share and promote our activities on
the Dataset Usage Vocab. We are working on a new version of the vocab and
as soon as a more stable version is available, we're gonna share
this with the group.
We aim to produce a vocab that's gonna be really helpful and for this It
is important to gather feedback from the community!
cheers,
Bernadette
2015-09-14 12:06 GMT-03:00 Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>: Phil,
Great points. I hope those on copy will work with us (W3C) to make sure
our Vocabulary standards have immediate real world impact.
Best Regards,
Steve
Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
Phil Archer ---09/12/2015 02:40:29 AM---The motivation behind developing
the Dataset Usage Vocab is to avoid publishers putting their data
From:
Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> To:
Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, "Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>,
DWBP Public List <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> Cc:
Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Carlos Iglesias
<carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>, Daniel Dietrich
<daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, Marcio Vasconcelos
<Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net"
<odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>,
Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S"
<ZeitzPS@state.gov>, Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com>, Kevin Merritt
<kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, Diego May Junar <diego.may@junar.com>
Date:
09/12/2015 02:40 AM Subject:
Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled
Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution
for Sustainable Development
The motivation behind developing the Dataset Usage Vocab is to avoid
publishers putting their data behind a registration step. I was talking
to someone this week about the EU's Copernicus data - a huge trove of
satellite imagery that the EC trumpets as a great example of open data.
She was a little non-plussed when I said that, since you have to login
and fill in a form that tells them what you plan to do with the data, it
can't be called open.
So the idea is to create not only a vocab but an incentive for data
re-users to publish info about what they've used and what they've sued
it for. I see two incentives:
- discovery (think schema.org);
- encouraging the publisher to keep on publishing.
Being able to 'ask the Web' who's using my data and what is it being
used for would be good.
This has some resonance with the research world's activities like
DataCite, CrossRef etc.
Phil.
On 09/09/2015 12:58, Steven Adler wrote:
>
> Jose,
>
> I don't think we need to organize more sessions at conferences to figure
> out how to measure OD utilization. Might be easier to just talk to
> Socrata, Junar, NuCivic, and CKAN folks to organize common utilization
> metrics.
>
> I am adding my W3C Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group
colleagues
> to this discussion since standardizing that metadata is within our
mandate
> and we are working on Data Quality and Usability Vocabularies.
>
> Also adding Kevin Merrit (Socrata), Diego May (Junar), and Andrew Hoppin
> (NuCivic). I guess there are people already on copy who can represent
> CKAN.
>
> Kevin, Diego, Andrew - We are having a conversation about how to measure
> aggregate Open Data utilization and we wonder if it would be possible to
> agree on common metadata standards that would allow API calls to your OD
> catalogs. We would like to be able to add OD utilization and quality
> statistics to common OD Supply Indexes.
>
> Sorry to dump you all into this long thread. But it seems to me that
right
> now, while our industry is relatively small, we have the opportunity to
> agree on common standards that could really benefit many interests.
>
> Could we ask you for your views on this topic?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve
>
> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"
>
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> |<Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net"
<odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>,
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>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I fully agree this is a very important debate and, as Tim mentioned and
(as
> most of you know) he's been deeply involved with both the CAF and the
ODB,
> we keep on exploring at WF. The paper he referred to was commissioned to
> keeping on exploring the "Use" element.
>
> I was also intrigued about the use of household surveys and met with the
> World Justice Project team earlier this year to learn more about their
> method. They work with local/regional companies and survey thousands of
> people. Besides what Tim mentioned above, two more issues come to mind:
> time requirements and cost. Pew's and WPJ's product are not cheap and
WPJ's
> needs 2 years per round. Complexity of the ODB itself has increased
> already. For example, we have introduced this year government
> self-assessments as a new data collection component.
>
> I believe we all certainly need to improve how we measure "Use" but also
> keeping in mind the perfect might be the enemy of the good.
>
> I'm copying my colleague Carlos as he's currently managing the ODB and
our
> work on the CAF and may have something else to add.
>
> IIRC, we have organized sessions at the last several conferences on this
> topic and we might want to do so again soon, maybe in the context of the
> OGP ODWG meeting at the OGP Summit or on the sides of it as I believe
most
> of us will be there.
>
> Best,
> Josema.
>
>
>
> 2015-09-09 10:12 GMT+02:00 Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>:
> This is a really important debate: and if finding good methods for
> assessing levels of open data use would be very valuable.
>
>
> Across the components of the Common Assessment Method for Open Data
usage
> is the least surveyed - in part due to the complexity of finding good
> robust sampling strategies.
>
> Surveys: Reflecting on Steve's suggestions around surveys:
>
> The best examples we probably have of large scale survey work in this
> area is either from the Pew Internet Project, which has a
single-country
> US survey capturing American's awareness of Open Government
Initiatives (
> http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/04/21/open-government-data/), and then
> the World Justice Project's multi-country survey of major cities,
which
> included a number of questions for their Open Government Index (
> http://data.worldjusticeproject.org/opengov/) relating to citizen
> perceptions around their use of Right to Information mechanisms.
>
> However, particularly when it comes to getting cross-country
comparison
> data that is sensitive specifically to open data, as opposed to the
> presence of an app economy or civic technology in general, it can be
very
> difficult to frame definitions in surveys in ways that produce
reliable
> and comparable data.
>
> One of the issues faced in the Open Data Barometer's 'Impact' method,
> which broadly combines a measure of use and impact (asking about the
> presence of stories of open data having an impact in particular
> settings), is that countries that spend more resource capturing case
> studies of use may score higher than countries who have more cases of
> use, but where those cases are less well documented or promoted.
Re-use
> that doesn't result in high-profile apps and websites is particularly
> likely to be missed by both expert and public-perception surveys.
>
> From a robust evidence point of view, it's would also be important I
> think to have independent sampling and data collection: making it
tricky
> to put govts in the middle of asking citizens to fill out surveys.
>
> Other approaches: Two other approaches which might be useful here:
>
> (1) Refining 'data availability' metrics. As Daniel notes, most of our
> measures of data openness right now are not sensitive enough to data
> quality.
>
> There is some interesting work on domain-specific measures of quality
> (e.g. Open Data Watch Inventory - capturing levels of disaggregation
in
> nationals stats:
> http://www.opendatawatch.com/Pages/Open-Data-Inventory.aspx), and
finding
> metrics that indicate how re-usable a dataset is likely to be (
> http://www.opendataresearch.org/dl/symposium2015/odrs2015-paper60.pdf
).
>
> I've been interested in exploring whether we can find efficient
methods
> for use-case driven testing of the practical openness of datasets to
> replace/complement the current check-list approaches used in the Open
> Data Barometer and Index.
>
> (2) Finding and evidencing good proxy variables.
>
> The Open Data Barometer includes variables on civil society capacity,
and
> private sector ICT capacity, in part because it hypothesises that
these
> are important ingredients of enabling re-use.
>
> It would be worth testing this in a number of contexts, and exploring
> whether there are other better proxy variables to capture factors
aside
> from data quality which are strongly associated with the presence of
open
> data re-use in a country.
>
> ---
>
>
> All the best
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>
wrote:
> Great. The normal way to measure utilization is through consumer
> preference, but that requires a menu of different consumer choices
with
> price discovery. We have a free commodity with few market
alternatives,
> therefore our only option is to survey consumer opinions of open data
> quality, relevance, and value.
>
> Not very sophisticated but it works if we can develop a short survey
and
> get governments to ask users to fill it out anonymously to generate
> reasonable sample sizes.
>
> What do people think about this?
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Steve Adler
> IBM
>
>
> Daniel Dietrich --- Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS:
> Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National
Consultation/Roadmap
> on the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development ---
>
> From: "Daniel Dietrich" <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>
>
> To: "Steven Adler" <adler1@us.ibm.com>
>
> Cc: "Barbara Ubaldi" <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, "Jose Manuel Alonso"
<
> josema@webfoundation.org>, "Marcio Vasconcelos" <
> Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "
> ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <
> odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, "sumandro" <
> sumandro@cis-india.org>, "" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>
>
> Date: Tue, Sep 8, 2015 6:08 PM
>
> Subjec Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on
> t: Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on
the
> Data Revolution for Sustainable Development
>
>
>
>
> This is a great point! At Open Knowledge we have thought about (but
not
> yet found an answer) on how to add the user perspective to the Open
Data
> Index, as we have found that some countries actually score relatively
> high in the OD index and OD barometer, but when you go and ask
potential
> re-users in those countries they will tell you that the data
published
> is actually useless for their work, as its lacks quality (including
but
> not limited to: high level of aggregation, missing details
> (itemisation), low granularity, not timely, not updated, no historic
> data for comparison, etc). However it is very hard to capture this
kind
> of feedback into an index, as these are individual statements for
> individual use-cases. However not having this perspective the actual
> indexes sometimes draw a misleading picture for some countries.
> Interested to hear other people thoughts. All best Daniel -- Daniel
> Dietrich Co-founder & Chairman Open Knowledge Foundation Germany
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<html><body><p>Super! That's 2 out of 4. <br><br>Katelyn, could you put us in touch with whomever is "running" CKAN at Open Knowledge Foundation to see if they would be interested in joining Junar and NuCivic in their support of Open Data Standard Metadata to measure aggregate utilization?<br><br>Thanks Andrew!<br><br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Steve<br><br>Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"<br><br><img width="16" height="16" src="cid:1__=0ABBF45ADFC772688f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" border="0" alt="Inactive hide details for Andrew Hoppin ---09/23/2015 11:26:17 AM---Steve, Phil, Diego, Count us in. This seems to us extreme"><font color="#424282">Andrew Hoppin ---09/23/2015 11:26:17 AM---Steve, Phil, Diego, Count us in. This seems to us extremely important work, and we'd like to roll</font><br><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">From: </font><font size="2">Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com></font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">To: </font><font size="2">Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, Diego May <diego.may@junar.com></font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Cc: </font><font size="2">Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br>, "Carlos Iglesias" <carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>, Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, "Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>, Kevin Merritt <kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, Marcio Vasconcelos <Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, "DWBP Public List" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, "Tim Davies" <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>, Rich Robbins <rich@nucivic.com>, Sid Burgess <Sid.Burgess@govdelivery.com></font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Date: </font><font size="2">09/23/2015 11:26 AM</font><br><font size="2" color="#5F5F5F">Subject: </font><font size="2">RE: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development</font><br><hr width="100%" size="2" align="left" noshade style="color:#8091A5; "><br><br><br><tt>Steve, Phil, Diego, <br><br>Count us in. This seems to us extremely important work, and we'd like to roll up our sleeves and help, and to support natively in DKAN any new Dataset Usage Vocabulary that may be established. <br><br>Best,<br>Andrew <br><br><br>From: Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com><br>Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:35 AM<br>To: Diego May<br>Cc: Andrew Hoppin; Barbara Ubaldi; Bernadette Farias Lóscio; Carlos Iglesias; Daniel Dietrich; Jose M. Alonso; Kevin Merritt; Marcio Vasconcelos; ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net; Phil Archer; DWBP Public List; sumandro; Tim Davies; Zeitz, Paul S<br>Subject: Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development<br> <br>Great. We are happy to share our Vocabulary draft with Junar and hope that NuCivic, Socrata, and CKAN will also participate. Furthermore, we hope that members of the Open Data Charter Stewardship Group will also provide input.<br><br>Thanks Diego!<br><br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Steve<br><br>Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"<br><br>Diego May ---09/15/2015 11:29:53 AM---Hi all, I do agree in the importance of talking about OD utilization, statistics,<br><br> <br> From: <br>Diego May <diego.may@junar.com> <br> To: <br>Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br> <br> Cc: <br>Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>, Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com>, Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Carlos Iglesias <carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>, Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, "Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>, Kevin Merritt <kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, Marcio Vasconcelos <Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, DWBP Public List <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov> <br> Date: <br>09/15/2015 11:29 AM <br> Subject: <br>Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development <br> <br><br><br>Hi all,<br><br>I do agree in the importance of talking about OD utilization, statistics, metadata and more. Just let me know if there is any call or any specific question we can work on to help. <br><br>Have a great day,<br><br>Diego<br><br>Diego May<br>Co-founder & CEO<br> Junar, Open Data Made Simple<br> Twitter @Junar @diegomay :: Blog Blog.junar.com :: Linkedin Diegohmay<br> Post acerca de Datos Abiertos :: ¿Cambiará la democracia en próximos años?<br><br>On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br> wrote: Hi Steve,<br><br>Thanks a lot for helping us to share and promote our activities on the Dataset Usage Vocab. We are working on a new version of the vocab and as soon as a more stable version is available, we're gonna share this with the group.<br><br>We aim to produce a vocab that's gonna be really helpful and for this It is important to gather feedback from the community!<br><br>cheers,<br>Bernadette<br><br><br><br><br>2015-09-14 12:06 GMT-03:00 Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com>: Phil,<br><br>Great points. I hope those on copy will work with us (W3C) to make sure our Vocabulary standards have immediate real world impact.<br><br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Steve<br><br>Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"<br><br>Phil Archer ---09/12/2015 02:40:29 AM---The motivation behind developing the Dataset Usage Vocab is to avoid publishers putting their data<br> From: <br>Phil Archer <phila@w3.org> To: <br>Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, "Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org>, DWBP Public List <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> Cc: <br>Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Carlos Iglesias <carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org>, Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, Marcio Vasconcelos <Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>, "Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>, Andrew Hoppin <andrew@nucivic.com>, Kevin Merritt <kevin.merritt@socrata.com>, Diego May Junar <diego.may@junar.com> Date: <br>09/12/2015 02:40 AM Subject: <br>Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development <br><br><br><br>The motivation behind developing the Dataset Usage Vocab is to avoid <br>publishers putting their data behind a registration step. I was talking <br>to someone this week about the EU's Copernicus data - a huge trove of <br>satellite imagery that the EC trumpets as a great example of open data. <br>She was a little non-plussed when I said that, since you have to login <br>and fill in a form that tells them what you plan to do with the data, it <br>can't be called open.<br><br>So the idea is to create not only a vocab but an incentive for data <br>re-users to publish info about what they've used and what they've sued <br>it for. I see two incentives:<br><br>- discovery (think schema.org);<br>- encouraging the publisher to keep on publishing.<br><br>Being able to 'ask the Web' who's using my data and what is it being <br>used for would be good.<br><br>This has some resonance with the research world's activities like <br>DataCite, CrossRef etc.<br><br>Phil.<br><br><br>On 09/09/2015 12:58, Steven Adler wrote:<br>><br>> Jose,<br>><br>> I don't think we need to organize more sessions at conferences to figure<br>> out how to measure OD utilization. Might be easier to just talk to<br>> Socrata, Junar, NuCivic, and CKAN folks to organize common utilization<br>> metrics.<br>><br>> I am adding my W3C Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group colleagues<br>> to this discussion since standardizing that metadata is within our mandate<br>> and we are working on Data Quality and Usability Vocabularies.<br>><br>> Also adding Kevin Merrit (Socrata), Diego May (Junar), and Andrew Hoppin<br>> (NuCivic). I guess there are people already on copy who can represent<br>> CKAN.<br>><br>> Kevin, Diego, Andrew - We are having a conversation about how to measure<br>> aggregate Open Data utilization and we wonder if it would be possible to<br>> agree on common metadata standards that would allow API calls to your OD<br>> catalogs. We would like to be able to add OD utilization and quality<br>> statistics to common OD Supply Indexes.<br>><br>> Sorry to dump you all into this long thread. But it seems to me that right<br>> now, while our industry is relatively small, we have the opportunity to<br>> agree on common standards that could really benefit many interests.<br>><br>> Could we ask you for your views on this topic?<br>><br>> Best Regards,<br>><br>> Steve<br>><br>> Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again"<br>><br>><br>> |------------><br>> | From: |<br>> |------------><br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|<br>> |"Jose M. Alonso" <josema@webfoundation.org> |<br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|<br>> |------------><br>> | To: |<br>> |------------><br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|<br>> |Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk> |<br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|<br>> |------------><br>> | Cc: |<br>> |------------><br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|<br>> |Steven Adler/Somers/IBM@IBMUS, Daniel Dietrich <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org>, Barbara Ubaldi <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, Marcio Vasconcelos |<br>> |<Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, sumandro <sumandro@cis-india.org>, |<br>> |"Zeitz, Paul S" <ZeitzPS@state.gov>, Carlos Iglesias <carlos.iglesias@webfoundation.org> |<br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|<br>> |------------><br>> | Date: |<br>> |------------><br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|<br>> |09/09/2015 06:41 AM |<br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|<br>> |------------><br>> | Subject: |<br>> |------------><br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|<br>> |Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the Data Revolution |<br>> |for Sustainable Development |<br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Hi all,<br>><br>> I fully agree this is a very important debate and, as Tim mentioned and (as<br>> most of you know) he's been deeply involved with both the CAF and the ODB,<br>> we keep on exploring at WF. The paper he referred to was commissioned to<br>> keeping on exploring the "Use" element.<br>><br>> I was also intrigued about the use of household surveys and met with the<br>> World Justice Project team earlier this year to learn more about their<br>> method. They work with local/regional companies and survey thousands of<br>> people. Besides what Tim mentioned above, two more issues come to mind:<br>> time requirements and cost. Pew's and WPJ's product are not cheap and WPJ's<br>> needs 2 years per round. Complexity of the ODB itself has increased<br>> already. For example, we have introduced this year government<br>> self-assessments as a new data collection component.<br>><br>> I believe we all certainly need to improve how we measure "Use" but also<br>> keeping in mind the perfect might be the enemy of the good.<br>><br>> I'm copying my colleague Carlos as he's currently managing the ODB and our<br>> work on the CAF and may have something else to add.<br>><br>> IIRC, we have organized sessions at the last several conferences on this<br>> topic and we might want to do so again soon, maybe in the context of the<br>> OGP ODWG meeting at the OGP Summit or on the sides of it as I believe most<br>> of us will be there.<br>><br>> Best,<br>> Josema.<br>><br>><br>><br>> 2015-09-09 10:12 GMT+02:00 Tim Davies <tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk>:<br>> This is a really important debate: and if finding good methods for<br>> assessing levels of open data use would be very valuable.<br>><br>><br>> Across the components of the Common Assessment Method for Open Data usage<br>> is the least surveyed - in part due to the complexity of finding good<br>> robust sampling strategies.<br>><br>> Surveys: Reflecting on Steve's suggestions around surveys:<br>><br>> The best examples we probably have of large scale survey work in this<br>> area is either from the Pew Internet Project, which has a single-country<br>> US survey capturing American's awareness of Open Government Initiatives (<br>> </tt><tt><a href="http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/04/21/open-government-data/">http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/04/21/open-government-data/</a></tt><tt>), and then<br>> the World Justice Project's multi-country survey of major cities, which<br>> included a number of questions for their Open Government Index (<br>> </tt><tt><a href="http://data.worldjusticeproject.org/opengov/">http://data.worldjusticeproject.org/opengov/</a></tt><tt>) relating to citizen<br>> perceptions around their use of Right to Information mechanisms.<br>><br>> However, particularly when it comes to getting cross-country comparison<br>> data that is sensitive specifically to open data, as opposed to the<br>> presence of an app economy or civic technology in general, it can be very<br>> difficult to frame definitions in surveys in ways that produce reliable<br>> and comparable data.<br>><br>> One of the issues faced in the Open Data Barometer's 'Impact' method,<br>> which broadly combines a measure of use and impact (asking about the<br>> presence of stories of open data having an impact in particular<br>> settings), is that countries that spend more resource capturing case<br>> studies of use may score higher than countries who have more cases of<br>> use, but where those cases are less well documented or promoted. Re-use<br>> that doesn't result in high-profile apps and websites is particularly<br>> likely to be missed by both expert and public-perception surveys.<br>><br>> From a robust evidence point of view, it's would also be important I<br>> think to have independent sampling and data collection: making it tricky<br>> to put govts in the middle of asking citizens to fill out surveys.<br>><br>> Other approaches: Two other approaches which might be useful here:<br>><br>> (1) Refining 'data availability' metrics. As Daniel notes, most of our<br>> measures of data openness right now are not sensitive enough to data<br>> quality.<br>><br>> There is some interesting work on domain-specific measures of quality<br>> (e.g. Open Data Watch Inventory - capturing levels of disaggregation in<br>> nationals stats:<br>> </tt><tt><a href="http://www.opendatawatch.com/Pages/Open-Data-Inventory.aspx">http://www.opendatawatch.com/Pages/Open-Data-Inventory.aspx</a></tt><tt>), and finding<br>> metrics that indicate how re-usable a dataset is likely to be (<br>> </tt><tt><a href="http://www.opendataresearch.org/dl/symposium2015/odrs2015-paper60.pdf">http://www.opendataresearch.org/dl/symposium2015/odrs2015-paper60.pdf</a></tt><tt>).<br>><br>> I've been interested in exploring whether we can find efficient methods<br>> for use-case driven testing of the practical openness of datasets to<br>> replace/complement the current check-list approaches used in the Open<br>> Data Barometer and Index.<br>><br>> (2) Finding and evidencing good proxy variables.<br>><br>> The Open Data Barometer includes variables on civil society capacity, and<br>> private sector ICT capacity, in part because it hypothesises that these<br>> are important ingredients of enabling re-use.<br>><br>> It would be worth testing this in a number of contexts, and exploring<br>> whether there are other better proxy variables to capture factors aside<br>> from data quality which are strongly associated with the presence of open<br>> data re-use in a country.<br>><br>> ---<br>><br>><br>> All the best<br>><br>> Tim<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com> wrote:<br>> Great. The normal way to measure utilization is through consumer<br>> preference, but that requires a menu of different consumer choices with<br>> price discovery. We have a free commodity with few market alternatives,<br>> therefore our only option is to survey consumer opinions of open data<br>> quality, relevance, and value.<br>><br>> Not very sophisticated but it works if we can develop a short survey and<br>> get governments to ask users to fill it out anonymously to generate<br>> reasonable sample sizes.<br>><br>> What do people think about this?<br>><br>> Best Regards,<br>><br>><br>> Steve Adler<br>> IBM<br>><br>><br>> Daniel Dietrich --- Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS:<br>> Gov of Mex on Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap<br>> on the Data Revolution for Sustainable Development ---<br>><br>> From: "Daniel Dietrich" <daniel.dietrich@okfn.org><br>><br>> To: "Steven Adler" <adler1@us.ibm.com><br>><br>> Cc: "Barbara Ubaldi" <Barbara.UBALDI@oecd.org>, "Jose Manuel Alonso" <<br>> josema@webfoundation.org>, "Marcio Vasconcelos" <<br>> Marcio.Vasconcelos@avina.net>, "<br>> ODCstewardslist@opendatacharter.net" <<br>> odcstewardslist@opendatacharter.net>, "sumandro" <<br>> sumandro@cis-india.org>, "" <ZeitzPS@state.gov><br>><br>> Date: Tue, Sep 8, 2015 6:08 PM<br>><br>> Subjec Re: [odcgeneralstewardslist] IODC+ DATA ROADMAPS: Gov of Mex on<br>> t: Bundled Commitment on IODC & National Consultation/Roadmap on the<br>> Data Revolution for Sustainable Development<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> This is a great point! At Open Knowledge we have thought about (but not<br>> yet found an answer) on how to add the user perspective to the Open Data<br>> Index, as we have found that some countries actually score relatively<br>> high in the OD index and OD barometer, but when you go and ask potential<br>> re-users in those countries they will tell you that the data published<br>> is actually useless for their work, as its lacks quality (including but<br>> not limited to: high level of aggregation, missing details<br>> (itemisation), low granularity, not timely, not updated, no historic<br>> data for comparison, etc). However it is very hard to capture this kind<br>> of feedback into an index, as these are individual statements for<br>> individual use-cases. However not having this perspective the actual<br>> indexes sometimes draw a misleading picture for some countries.<br>> Interested to hear other people thoughts. All best Daniel -- Daniel<br>> Dietrich Co-founder & Chairman Open Knowledge Foundation Germany<br>> www.okfn.de | info@okfn.de | @okfde Office:<br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups<br>> "ODC Stewards list" group.<br>> Visit this group at<br>> </tt><tt><a href="http://groups.google.com/a/opendatacharter.net/group/odcstewardslist/">http://groups.google.com/a/opendatacharter.net/group/odcstewardslist/</a></tt><tt>.<br>><br>><br>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an<br>> email to odcstewardslist+unsubscribe@opendatacharter.net.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br><br>-- <br><br><br>Phil Archer<br>W3C Data Activity Lead<br></tt><tt><a href="http://www.w3.org/2013/data/">http://www.w3.org/2013/data/</a></tt><tt><br><br></tt><tt><a href="http://philarcher.org">http://philarcher.org</a></tt><tt><br>+44 (0)7887 767755<br>@philarcher1<br><br><br> <br><br><br>-- <br>Bernadette Farias Lóscio<br>Centro de Informática<br>Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil<br>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br> <br><br></tt><br><BR>
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