Re: Intrinsic vs extrinsic metadata (my action #54)

Hi Antoine,

Thanks again for your comments!

As I said in the other message, maybe the diagrams are vey complex to be
>> presented to the reader of the BP document, but on the other hand they may
>> help our discussion. If the diagram doesn't help, then we don't need to use
>> it.
>> To better illustrate the ideas about metadata, I think that this diagram
>> should be divided in two: one for the main concepts (similar to the one of
>> [1]) and other one just for the metadata hierarchy.
>>
>
>
> I agree with the idea, but as already said and repeated several times now
> I think the diagram of [1] is not right, and no diagram will ever work as
> well as the text you/Andrea and others have put in the mails.


ok... Let's stay with the textual description and let's forget the diagram
:)  I can use the diagrams just for my own understanding.

>
>
> Answering your question about the 'general metadata': this metadata is
>> similar to the one that describes a dataset in DCAT.
>>
>
>
> This cannot be the case! DCAT describes a wide range of metadata
> (geo/temporal coverage, update frequency, license, etc), which falls in the
> scope of other points in Mark's list, and other boxes in your diagram.
> So if 'general metadata' was equal to 'DCAT' metadata then you box would
> have to encompass other boxes.
>
> I'm sorry if I was not clear. I wanted to say that "this metadata is
similar to the one that describes a dataset in DCAT". I agree with you that
they are not equivalent and DCAT metadata encompasses other boxes. The
general metadata should provide information like title, description,
language and keyword. This is just an initial idea that has to be improved.

kind regrads,
Bernadette




> Kind regards,
>
> Antoine
>
>
>
>> [1] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_guidelines
>>
>>
>> 2014-07-11 11:06 GMT-03:00 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl <mailto:
>> aisaac@few.vu.nl>>:
>>
>>
>>     Dear all,
>>
>>     Thanks for the very interesting discussion.
>>     I'm afraid some of it may be too demanding on us (workload-wise) and
>> our readers though.
>>
>>     I mean, pointing to DCAT and voiD is useful. And having a terminology
>> like what Bernadette has put up at [1] is also great. People need help with
>> the notions.
>>     But diagrams give a feeling of commitment and formlization. It can be
>> useful, but are our readers really expecting a theory on what a dataset,
>> data, etc are?
>>     To me this is what the part on the top of Bernadette's graph hints
>> at: what is data, what is a dataset, why a distribution encompasses a
>> bundle of data+dataset... Why is a vocabulary relevant only to metadata and
>> not a dataset (see question at [2]).
>>     Same for the extrinsic/intrisinc gradation: why would license
>> metadata be less extrinsic than access metadata? And why should we really
>> bother discussing this?
>>     All these can be quite slippery slopes.
>>
>>     I am very much in favour of the simple listing at [3]. I understood
>>  it in ten seconds, it didn't raise too many questions of the sort 'what
>> did you mean', it it seemed relatively complete. I'm not claiming it is,
>> but at least after 30 seconds of thinking I couldn't see an obvious miss,
>> and this is good enough to leave me in peace ;-)
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     antoine
>>
>>     PS: by the way what is the 'general metadata' in Bernadette's graph?
>>
>>
>>     [1] http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/__wiki/Best_practices___
>> guidelines#Terminology <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_
>> guidelines#Terminology>
>>     [2]http://lists.w3.org/__Archives/Public/public-dwbp-__
>> wg/2014Jul/0040.html <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/
>> Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0040.html>
>>     [3] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/__wiki/index.php?title=
>> Guidance___on_the_Provision_of_Metadata&__oldid=1431#
>> Intrinsic_vs___Extrinsic_Metadata <https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/
>> wiki/index.php?title=Guidance_on_the_Provision_of_Metadata&
>> oldid=1431#Intrinsic_vs_Extrinsic_Metadata>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bernadette Farias Lóscio
>> Centro de Informática
>> Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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Centro de Informática
Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil
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