- From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:26:07 +0200
- To: "public-dwbp-wg@w3.org" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
Hi Bernadette, Yep I understood the (noble) intention. Actually my point would be that perhaps we don't need such formalized agreement now. Consensus on words is already great. Now of course it may become the case that a diagram becomes handy. For example on the distribution/dataset thing. But then the minimum commitment principle should apply: if people argue over dataset vs distribution but agree that metadata could be used to describe both of them, then the diagram doesn't need to include metadata. In the same line you could split the part on the different kinds of metadata from the one on dataset/distributions. Unless you start connecting the elements better. For example I think it could be worth highlighting that data usage metadata could apply at the level of both distributions and datasets. But I expect that if you generalize such considerations, the diagram would becomes quite cluttered, so using words (in the list of metadata categories) may be good enough, once again. Cheers, Antoine On 7/11/14 4:25 PM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: > Hi Antoine, > > Thanks for your comments! Yes, I agree with you that it is not easy to represent this information in a diagram. I also agree that some readers may have problems to understand them. In this case, they don't need to be part of the BD practices document. > > However, I believe that it is really important that members of the group agree about the main concepts that are used to define the best practices. In my opinion, we should have this agreement before to start the definitions and implementations of best practices and vocabularies. > > I thought that the diagram could help to "formalize" this agreement, but if it doesn't help then we can find other ways of doing this. > > Thanks again! > Bernadette > > > 2014-07-11 11:10 GMT-03:00 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl <mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl>>: > > Hi Bernadette, > > Thanks for the answer. As you can see in the thread [1] I'm not convinced by the diagram ;-) > Your words in the terminology and in the mail below read well for me, actually. It's probably because the sort of recursiveness that is at hand (and which Andrea also identified) is much less painful to express in a natural language sentence than in a diagram. > As long as we are not seeking to produce a formal model of data, I would keep to the words... > > Cheers, > > Antoine > > > On 7/11/14 3:55 PM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: > > Hi Antoine, > > I agree with you that vocabularies are also used to express the data. The idea is that vocabularies may be used to express both dataset descriptions (like aspects related to quality and provenance) and data descriptions (strctural metadata). In this case, everything is metadata and every type of metadata may be expressed through vocabularies. Does it make sense for you? > > Please, take a look into the diagram presented on [1] and let me know if it becomes more clear. > > Thanks! > Bernadette > > [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/__0006.html <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Jul/0006.html> > > 2014-07-11 10:27 GMT-03:00 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl <mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl> <mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl <mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl>>>: > > > Hi Bernadette, > > Just a reaction on the diagram in the terminology. I would remove it: it doesn't add much info on the bullet list, and it's actually confusing on the role of vocabularies. Vocabularies are indeed used to express metadata (on datasets). But vocabularies are also used to express the data in the datasets themselves. Currently the diagram links vocabularies to metadata, only. > > Best, > > Antoine > > > On 7/11/14 3:31 AM, Bernadette Farias Lóscio wrote: > > Hi all, > > I made some changes on the Best Practices Guidelines wiki page [3]. Following Antoine's suggestion, instead of having general and specific best practices, now we have just best practices. > > I also included a terminology section with definitions (from DCAT [1] and the Linked Data Glossary [2]) for the main concepts used in the best practices . I think it is really important that we have an agreement about these concepts and it would be great to have some feedback about this. > > Please feel free to modify or include new definitions, suggestions or questions. > > kind regards, > Bernadette > > [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-____dcat/ <http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-__dcat/> <http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-__dcat/ <http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/>> > [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-____glossary/ <http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-__glossary/> <http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-__glossary/ <http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/>> > [3] https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/____wiki/Best_practices___guidelines <https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/__wiki/Best_practices_guidelines> <https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/__wiki/Best_practices_guidelines <https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_guidelines>__> > > > > 2014-07-04 10:59 GMT-03:00 Eric Stephan <ericphb@gmail.com <mailto:ericphb@gmail.com> <mailto:ericphb@gmail.com <mailto:ericphb@gmail.com>> <mailto:ericphb@gmail.com <mailto:ericphb@gmail.com> <mailto:ericphb@gmail.com <mailto:ericphb@gmail.com>>>>: > > > > Replying to the questions you posed Steve: > > 1. Are worst practices always the absence of a specific or generic best practice? > > Worst practices might also include misinterpretations of the best practices (I suppose examples need to be supplied here to support these two additional proposed "worst practices": > * Altered best practice: Either misinterpreted best practice or intentionally altering best practice leading to syntactically confusing solutions that don't align with the Open Data community. > * Failure to serve data consumer communities: Best practice(s) that support well formed "Open Data", but fail to provide valid solutions for downstream that are useful to downstream consumer communities. > > > 2. Do we have use case examples of worst or absent practices? > > Yes, in fact I'm wondering if we could take the challenges section in many of the use cases and use them as examples of worst/absent practices. > > > 3. Could we think about a maturity scale of practices from 0 to 5 or 7 so as to provide users with an understanding of where they are today and what they need to do to improve? > > This is a great idea. > > Eric Stephan > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Steven Adler <adler1@us.ibm.com <mailto:adler1@us.ibm.com> <mailto:adler1@us.ibm.com <mailto:adler1@us.ibm.com>> <mailto:adler1@us.ibm.com <mailto:adler1@us.ibm.com> <mailto:adler1@us.ibm.com <mailto:adler1@us.ibm.com>>>> wrote: > > Great effort. Some random thoughts and comments: > > 1. Are worst practices always the absence of a specific or generic best practice? > > 2. Do we have use case examples of worst or absent practices? > > 3. Could we think about a maturity scale of practices from 0 to 5 or 7 so as to provide users with an understanding of where they are today and what they need to do to improve? > > See this as an example of what I mean. This is the IBM Data Governance Maturity Model my Council of 55 companies created in 2006-11. It has 11 categories and many sub categories over 5 levels of maturity. > > > > It is all Open Source today, and you can click on any of the links here to see the underlying content. > > http://www.infogovcommunity.____com/blog/classification-____metadata/ <http://www.infogovcommunity.__com/blog/classification-__metadata/ <http://www.infogovcommunity.com/blog/classification-metadata/>> > > > You have to register on the site to see this, but everyone can use anything here for our BP work. This goes farther that technical BP, but it is not specific to Data Governance and we may find many examples here we can re-use. > > Best Regards, > > Steve > > Motto: "Do First, Think, Do it Again" > > > From: Bernadette Farias Lóscio <bfl@cin.ufpe.br <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br> <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br>> <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br> <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br <mailto:bfl@cin.ufpe.br>>>> > To: "public-dwbp-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>> <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>>__>__" <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>> <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org> <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>>__>__> > > > Date: 06/11/2014 11:05 PM > Subject: BP Guidelines > > > > > ------------------------------____----------------------------__--__--------------------------__----__------------------------__------__----------------------__--------__--------------------__----------__------------------__------------__----------------__--------------__--------------__----------------__------------__------------------__----------__--------------------__--------__----------------------__------__------------------------__----__--------------------------__--__----------------------------____------------------------------____----------------------------__--__--------------------------__----__------------------------__------__----------------------__--------__--------------------__----------__------------------__------------__----------------__--------------__--------------__----------------__------------__------------------__----------__--------------------__--------__----------------------__------__------------------------__----__--------------------------__- -__----------------------------____----------------------------- > > -__---------------------------__---__-------------------------__---- > > > - > > > > > Hi all, > > I created a new wiki page [1] with some guidelines that may help us define the structure of the Best Practices document. This page also shows an attempt to map the use case requirements to possible best practices. > > I'd like to ask you to take a look and if possible to give some feedback. > > Thank you! > Bernadette > > [1] _https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/____wiki/Best_practices_____guidelines_ <https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/__wiki/Best_practices___guidelines_> <https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/__wiki/Best_practices___guidelines_ <https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Best_practices_guidelines_>> > > > > -- > Bernadette Farias Lóscio > Centro de Informática > Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil > ------------------------------____----------------------------__--__---------------- > > > > > > > -- > Bernadette Farias Lóscio > Centro de Informática > Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil > ------------------------------____----------------------------__--__---------------- > > > > > > > -- > Bernadette Farias Lóscio > Centro de Informática > Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil > ------------------------------__------------------------------__---------------- > > > > > > -- > Bernadette Farias Lóscio > Centro de Informática > Universidade Federal de Pernambuco - UFPE, Brazil > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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