Re: role "statement"

I have to agree with Shane. HTML5 just finished and I think a lot of people
are pretty spent over the process. Also, having gone through this with HTML
before any new element creation is a major uphill battle even when you have
a solid definition for it.

Rich


Rich Schwerdtfeger



From:	Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
To:	Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
Cc:	Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>, "DPUB-ARIA
            (public-dpub-aria@w3.org)" <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>, W3C
            Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Date:	02/19/2015 10:43 AM
Subject:	Re: role "statement"
Sent by:	ahby@aptest.com



I don't think we are in a good position to suggest new elements for HTML at
this juncture anyway.  A new role seems more in scope.  And statement is a
reasonable one.  It has clear, distinct semantics.  That's a good litmus
test for any new value for @role.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
wrote:
  +1 but with some further thoughts. And thanks for the mention of
  NLM/JATS/BITS which imo has a lot of other handy features of interest
  (milestones come immediately to mind, for example, which get you out of
  the well-formedness pickle).





  One thought on <statement> though: I wonder if it should be a phrase
  level element. While you're correct, a "statement" is usually set off
  quite clearly (but can occur at any level), I can envision a publisher
  needing to identify a formal statement that is contained within a
  paragraph, for example.





  Here is a possibly relevant use case (but maybe not) from one of my
  clients, a standards publisher. Their standards typically begin with a
  chapter consisting of formal definitions of terms, and when any of those
  terms are used in the content _in that formal sense_ (in any form, e.g.
  plural or singular, various verb forms, etc.) that word or phrase is
  explicitly tagged as such (but not when the same word is used not in that
  formal sense), and specially formatted in rendering (bold italic in
  print, red online, etc.). So that has the sense of "formal" but it really
  doesn't have the sense of "statement." Hmm.





  And at the other end of the scale, very complex content can be a formal
  statement, as you mentioned: e.g., in law, a judicial ruling, a statute,
  an ordinance, etc.





  Which makes me wonder if really this shouldn't be a @role attribute value
  after all. That way any available structural component of a document can
  be designated as a "formal statement" or even just "formal".





  --Bill K





  From: Peter Krautzberger [mailto:peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org]
  Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 10:08 AM
  To: DPUB-ARIA (public-dpub-aria@w3.org); W3C Digital Publishing IG
  Subject: role "statement"





  Hi,





  As per today's DPUB-ARIA call, I wanted to separate out an item from an
  earlier discussion in December.





  I would like to propose a role "(formal) statement".





  Here's a work-in-progress definition.





  A minor structural division in a work, typically encapsulated in a major
  division. A fragment that is part of the overall flow (i.e., not an
  aside) but is distinguished from the surrounding content (often
  typographically) and might be referenced elsewhere (in particular, often
  carries a label).





  Among other things, statements are content fragments that might be
  aggregated in some form of index (comparable to figures).





  Use cases come from humanities (postulate), law (via Bill Kasdorf),
  sciences (hypothesis, experiment, ansatz, result, example), math
  (theorem, proof, definition, proposition, lemma, corollary).





  Statements are similar to figures except it's more textual and never
  floating. In HTML5, I'd expect it to be mostly applied to <section>
  though <p> or <div> might often work, too.





  Looking at the already proposed roles, statement appears a bit meta --
  question, answer, practice seem to be statements, too. For full
  disclosure, a <statement> element is part of NLM/JATS/BITS.





  Best regards,


  Peter.





--
Shane McCarron
Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.