RE: case for abstract?

Duh! Great solution, imo. +1

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Schepers [mailto:schepers@w3.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 2:09 PM
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger; Ivan Herman
Cc: W3C Digital Publishing IG; W3C PF - DPUB Joint Task Force; Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
Subject: Re: case for abstract?

Hey, folks–

Isn't the term "abstract" only used in the ARIA specs as a class of roles, not a value itself or role itself (that is, it's not something used in content)? If so, I don't see a conflict there, just a small note in the spec to clarify that the role "abstract" is distinct from the notion of "abstract roles".

Regards–
–Doug

On 4/14/15 10:57 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
> It could be given a role pubabstract or pub-abstract to eliminate the 
> confusion with abstract ARIA roles.
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> Rich Schwerdtfeger
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> Inactive hide details for Ivan Herman ---04/14/2015 09:53:08 
> AM---Indeed, all W3C documents must have an abstract! :-) IvanIvan 
> Herman ---04/14/2015 09:53:08 AM---Indeed, all W3C documents must have 
> an abstract! :-) Ivan
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> From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
> To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" <rse@rfc-editor.org>
> Cc: W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>, W3C PF - 
> DPUB Joint Task Force <public-dpub-aria@w3.org>
> Date: 04/14/2015 09:53 AM
> Subject: Re: case for abstract?
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> Indeed, all W3C documents must have an abstract! :-)
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> Ivan
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>  > On 14 Apr 2015, at 16:37 , Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) 
> <rse@rfc-editor.org> wrote:
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>  > Signed PGP part
>  > FWIW, technical standards may use an abstract as well (e.g., all 
> RFCs  > must have an Abstract).  The Series started with strong ties 
> to  > academia, but I wouldn't label it as such today.
>  >
>  > -Heather Flanagan
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>  > On 4/14/15 7:29 AM, Bill Kasdorf wrote:
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>  > > I agree that abstract is most commonly used in publishing in 
> scholarly  > content, and there, almost always in journals. Books are 
> just now  > beginning to acquire abstracts (in the past very few books 
> contained  > them, though some did), and there they are often treated 
> as metadata,  > not rendered content. In a journal article, an 
> abstract is almost always  > a clearly distinguished structural 
> element in the rendered  > content—which, btw, almost always has a 
> heading identifying it  > explicitly as the abstract, which of course 
> AT would read. And even  > then, in JATS, the XML model overwhelmingly 
> used for almost all journal  > articles, the article abstract is in 
> the <article-meta>, the "metadata  > header" at the beginning of every 
> JATS XML article, from which it is  > retrieved for rendering. 
> (Figures and tables can also have <abstract>s.)  > >  > >  > >  > > So 
> imo there are better reasons to exclude "abstract" from the  > 
> vocabulary than to include it, given the conflict with ARIA's use of 
> the  > term.
>  > >
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>  > > *From:*Matt Garrish [mailto:matt.garrish@bell.net]  > > *Sent:* 
> Monday, April 13, 2015 10:30 PM  > > *To:* public-digipub-ig@w3.org  > 
> > *Cc:* public-dpub-aria@w3.org  > > *Subject:* Re: case for abstract?
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>  > > Oops, meant to send this to the dpub ig, but keeping both lists 
> on  > since it seems appropriate to both...
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>  > > *From:*Matt Garrish <mailto:matt.garrish@bell.net>  > >  > > 
> *Sent:*Monday, April 13, 2015 10:26 PM  > >  > > 
> *To:*public-dpub-aria@w3.org <mailto:public-dpub-aria@w3.org>  > >  > 
> > *Subject:*case for abstract?
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>  > > In the interests of solving abstract, the first question I’d ask is:
>  > is it critical for the first iteration of this vocabulary?
>  > >
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>  > > It was a term that was introduced in epub for education, and it 
> seems  > more suited to scholarly and education publishing. I’m not 
> even sure the  > last time I spotted an abstract outside of those 
> contexts, or  > specifications, at any rate. We’re not trying to cover 
> everything, and  > there are absences like dedication that seem more commonly usable.
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>  > > Should it be punted to future discussions about stem/scholarly, 
> as  > we’ve similarly passed on assessments, learning-* and statement?
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>  > > And if anyone is using it currently in their EPUBs, please feel 
> free  > to make a case for or against swapping in summary. I’ve said 
> my fill on  > where I think we’ll run into ambiguity with that term in 
> the other  > thread, but I don’t have any skin in the game and talking 
> theory is  > about as useful as spouting hot air.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Matt
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