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Re: draft text for charter

From: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 10:37:22 +0530
Message-ID: <F399E406CF714C9D92B5A61A76A80E77@AvneeshHP840>
To: "Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org>, "Deborah Kaplan" <deborah.kaplan@suberic.net>
Cc: <public-dpub-accessibility@w3.org>
Ivan wrote:
[[
The Working Group will incorporate accessibility considerations into the
Working Group's deliverables. Recommendation-track deliverables  will
contain mechanisms to make Web Publications accessible to a broad range of
readers with different needs and capabilities.
]]

may be considered to be superfluous in the charter. The reason is that this 
is a requirement for any W3C recommendation, mainly when talking about 
user-facing specifications like this. In other words, this does not add 
anything to what is already a default requirement, does it?

Avneesh: This is retained from the old text mainly due to the concerns of 
changing things too much after getting to a consensus on mailing list. This 
was a concern raised by Leonard in DPUB call 2 weeks ago.


For me, the important point is:

[[
...additional extended requirements will be
identified as conformance requirements in the Working Group’s normative
specifications. Profiles of Web Publications may be defined with more
stringent accessibility requirements.
]]

because it shows that we _may_ have extra requirements and we intend to put 
these into the spec as well. For me, _that_ is the important point...

Avneesh: This is the core of the message that we intend to give. There would 
be requirements that are not covered by WCAG/WAI/ARIA, and we need to work 
on them in digital publishing working group, to ensure that it is possible 
to make WP/EPUB 4 publications  accessible.
With regards
Avneesh
> On 27 Feb 2017, at 17:47, deborah.kaplan <deborah.kaplan@suberic.net> 
> wrote:
>
> I am fine with this text. It's longer than I thought Ivan wanted it to
> be,  but if he thinks it's aan acceptable length I think it's relatively
> clear while also being explicit  about the fact that we will incorporate
> accessibility requirements in any recommendation-track deliverables,,
> and the fact that we will be coordinating with other groups.


Well… it is a little bit too long, compared to the rest of the charter. 
That, by itself, may be ok, however (if I play devil's advocate, the 
following text:

[[
The Working Group will incorporate accessibility considerations into the
Working Group's deliverables. Recommendation-track deliverables  will
contain mechanisms to make Web Publications accessible to a broad range of
readers with different needs and capabilities.
]]

may be considered to be superfluous in the charter. The reason is that this 
is a requirement for any W3C recommendation, mainly when talking about 
user-facing specifications like this. In other words, this does not add 
anything to what is already a default requirement, does it?

For me, the important point is:

[[
...additional extended requirements will be
identified as conformance requirements in the Working Group’s normative
specifications. Profiles of Web Publications may be defined with more
stringent accessibility requirements.
]]

because it shows that we _may_ have extra requirements and we intend to put 
these into the spec as well. For me, _that_ is the important point...


>
> My only issue  is the following:
>
> "The Digital Publishing Working Group will coordinate with the WCAG 
> Working
> Group to integrate accessibility requirements created as part of its
> recommendation-track deliverables into generalized technology."
>
> I don't think we should be limiting ourselves to coordinating with WCAG.
> I would prefer  "will coordinate with the WCAG Working Group, as well as
> any other  working groups as needed, to integrate …"

This may be vague, what about "wg-s concerned with accessibility', or 
something like that?

Ivan


>
> Deborah
>
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2017, Avneesh Singh wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> A reminder, we need to complete the text for accessibility soon. Please 
>> provide your comments so that it can be published with next update of 
>> charter.
>>
>>
>> With regards
>> Avneesh
>> -----Original Message----- From: Avneesh Singh
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:34
>> To: George Kerscher ; 'Ivan Herman'
>> Cc: 'Deborah Kaplan' ; public-dpub-accessibility@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: draft text for charter
>>
>> Dear accessibility group,
>>
>> After our call yesterday, George has merged the old accessibility text 
>> that
>> was proposed by Matt with the new text added by Ivan in the branch.
>> I will also like to mention that in the branch created by Ivan, the
>> accessibility text is placed at more than one places. The first paragraph
>> was placed by Ivan in the scope statement, and other part was placed at 
>> the
>> places where the charter talked about coordination with ARIA and WCAG.
>> We are fine with this split, and the new text snippet is the rewrite of 
>> only
>> the scope statements.
>>
>> New text for scope statement:
>> The Working Group will incorporate accessibility considerations into the
>> Working Group's deliverables. Recommendation-track deliverables  will
>> contain mechanisms to make Web Publications accessible to a broad range 
>> of
>> readers with different needs and capabilities. This includes general WCAG
>> and WAI requirements of the W3C; additional extended requirements will be
>> identified as conformance requirements in the Working Group’s normative
>> specifications. Profiles of Web Publications may be defined with more
>> stringent accessibility requirements.
>>
>> And following is the text in coordination section:
>> The Digital Publishing Working Group will coordinate with the WCAG 
>> Working
>> Group to integrate accessibility requirements created as part of its
>> recommendation-track deliverables into generalized technology. One or 
>> more
>> pipeline of the requirements will be maintained to manage diverse 
>> turnaround
>> times of the W3C groups.
>>
>> With regards
>> Avneesh


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