Re: Tomorrows A11Y DPUB Meeting

I would think its a requirement otherwise we could use aria.describedby to link internally.

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Charles LaPierre
charlesl@benetech.org




> On Aug 31, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com> wrote:
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> HI All,
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> I’m pulling this feedback together and I have a few questions.
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> Charles, is linking to an external document a requirement or a “nice to have”? We did not mention this anywhere in our requirements document [1]
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> [1]  http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Publisher_requirements_for_extended_descriptions <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Publisher_requirements_for_extended_descriptions>
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> Thanks
> 
> Tzviya Siegman
> Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
> Wiley
> 201-748-6884
> tsiegman@wiley.com <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>
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> From: Deborah Kaplan [mailto:dkaplan@safaribooksonline.com <mailto:dkaplan@safaribooksonline.com>]
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03 PM
> To: Charles LaPierre
> Cc: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken; public-dpub-accessibility@w3.org <mailto:public-dpub-accessibility@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: Tomorrows A11Y DPUB Meeting
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> Comments on the table:
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> longdesc:mitigation::  Could be extended to cover more elements beyond <img> (eg. "All block-level elements.")
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> aria-describedby:cons::  No standard way to hide visually but expose on demand or to AT. (Can hide but expose to screen-readers, can expose, or can right custom JS tools.)
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> hidden iFrame; figure with iframe:cons::  iFrames can require implementer effort to make accessible.
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> All three figure + details options:cons::  Doesn't inherently clarify that this figcaption is the accessibility description as oopposed to a general captopn.
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> All three figure + details options; hidden iframe:cons::  "special support" and "depend on script-support long term" are unclear: all three of these should just say, "will require scripting to hide visually but expose on demand or to AT."
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> All three figure + details options:mitigation::  Add a role attribute which AT, extensions, or user agent settings could recognize to expose as appropriate.
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> All three figure + details options:mitigation::  Add the "Add role attribute to clarify overloading" to all of them.
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> All three figure + details options:mitigation::  Add a role attribute which AT, extensions, or user agent settings could recognize to expose as appropriate.
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> SVG wrapping bitmap:cons:: Using SVG as a wrapper for non-graphics overloads a graphical format as a descriptor container.
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> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org <mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>> wrote:
> I read this over and think its very good.  Here are my comments.
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> I would add a con to ARIA-describedby is that it can not link to documents outside the primary document.  And as a Workaround add you can get around this issue by placing hidden iFrames with links outside the document but this is a hack to say the least :)
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> The one thing I would add to "figure with details and embedded iFrame"
> as a con would be “This seems too complex for easy use”  come on 4 levels deep of this containing that which contains …
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> For SVG, I just don’t get this, if I have a table why am I adding an SVG so I can add alternate descriptions.
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> I thought there was talk about media query?  I don’t see that.
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> Thats about it for me.
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> Charles LaPierre
> charlesl@benetech.org <mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>
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> On Aug 28, 2015, at 6:10 AM, Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>> wrote:
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> Reminder: If we have any feedback for PF on the extended descriptions analysis grid [1], we should put it together within the next few days.
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> [1] http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis <http://www.w3.org/2015/08/extended-description-analysis>
> 
> Tzviya Siegman
> Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
> Wiley
> 201-748-6884
> tsiegman@wiley.com <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>
> 
> From: Charles LaPierre [mailto:charlesl@benetech.org <mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>]
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 5:25 PM
> To: public-dpub-accessibility@w3.org <mailto:public-dpub-accessibility@w3.org>
> Subject: Tomorrows A11Y DPUB Meeting
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> Agenda Friday August 28st
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> 1. Update on PF/ARIA describedAt meeting this week (George / Tzviya ??)
> 2. Update from Diagram meeting (Charles / George alternatives to ARIA.describedAt)
> 3. Update from BISG meeting (Charles - MathMl recommendation)
> 4. A11Y Note status / blockers / progress
> 5. TPAC possible meetings / who is attending
> 6. Honorable Mentions : Diagram Award
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> When: Friday at 8AM PDT / 11AM EDT
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> _______________________________
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> Charles LaPierre
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