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Re: Cross-References in GCPM (was: CSS Pages and Pagination)

From: Brady Duga <duga@google.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 07:57:52 -0700
Message-ID: <CAH_p_eXLKZ_U8KpYTa-iH_fF1Ddoyh8mdcgkVhaSSk52GaJbDg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Håkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com>
Cc: Sanders Kleinfeld <sanders@oreilly.com>, Daniel Glazman <daniel.glazman@disruptive-innovations.com>, public-digipub <public-digipub@w3.org>
Looking at this specific use case, why is it better to do this at render
time, instead of during content processing/creation? That is, it seems like
you have an existing working solution, what problem are you trying to solve
by moving this into CSS? I ask because this really seems to cross the
styling/content barrier, moving what seems to be entirely content into
stylesheets, and doesn't seem much like an edge case (I can't see a
plausible argument for this being stylistic). Moving content into styles
like this makes other automated processing of the content harder (or at
least more expensive). For instance, a search for "figure 1.1" across all
the books in my library will now require loading all chapters of all books
into a UA, instead of just using an xml or html parser to find the text.

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 4:50 AM, Håkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com> wrote:

> Sanders Kleinfeld wrote:
>
>  > Re: cross-references, the main use case I would love to see covered is
>  > the ability to automatically customize the text content based on the
>  > type of element that is being linked to. So for example, if we had
>  > markup like the following:
>  >
>  > <section>
>  >   <h1 id="a_section">The First section title</h1>
>  >   <p>Some text here</p>
>  >    <figure id="a_figure">
>  >       <figcaption>An interesting icon</figcaption>
>  >       <img src="icon.gif"/>
>  >    </figure>
>  >
>  >    <p>In <a href="#a_section"/>, we have some cross references.</p>
>  >    <p>In <a href="#a_figure"/>, we have an icon image</p>
>  > </section>
>  >
>  > We might want the cross-reference to the section heading (#a_section)
>  > to contain the text "Section 1.1", and the cross-reference to the
>  > figure caption to contain the text "Figure 1.1".
>
> You could this by adding a class to the <a> element, e.g.:
>
>   <a class=figref href=...>
>
> Combined with something like:
>
>   a.figref:before { content: "Figure: " }
>
> But I guess you're looking for a solution where you only insert simple
> <a> elements that transform themselves?
>
> Sometimes this could lead to errors. E.g:
>
>   See figure 2.3 on page 56.
>   Figure 2.3 on page 56 illustrates this.
>
> That is, the spelling of figure/Figure changes, this would be tough to
> adjust automatically.
>
> Still if you want an all-automatic solution, I'd probably base it on
> named strings. First, I would set a named string with:
>
>   h1[id] { string-set: ref "Section " counter(sec) }
>   figure[id] { string-set: ref "Figure " counter(fig) }
>
> Then I would refer to it with:
>
>   a { content: target-string(ref, attr(href url)) }
>
> The 'target-string' function doesn't exist, yet. But I think it could
> work, no?
>
> Cheers,
>
> -h&kon
>               Håkon Wium Lie                          CTO °þe®ª
> howcome@opera.com                  http://people.opera.com/howcome
>
>
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