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Re: Musings on PWP Offline/Online Modes

From: Romain Deltour <rdeltour@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 21:48:55 +0100
Cc: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Message-Id: <8BA3C04F-2515-468D-98BD-400FE811155B@gmail.com>
To: Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>
Thank you Tzviya, I'll have a closer look at these use cases.
Romain.

> On 05 Jan 2016, at 21:44, Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com> wrote:
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> Hi Romain,
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> The locators TF is fairly new, so there is not much recorded yet. There is a wiki at [1] and much email on this list. We put together use cases about packaging quite a while ago [2].
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> Tzviya
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> [1] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/locators <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/locators>
> [2] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Packaging_and_Distribution <http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Packaging_and_Distribution>
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> Tzviya Siegman
> Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
> Wiley
> 201-748-6884
> tsiegman@wiley.com <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>
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> From: Romain Deltour [mailto:rdeltour@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 3:26 PM
> To: Leonard Rosenthol
> Cc: W3C Digital Publishing IG
> Subject: Re: Musings on PWP Offline/Online Modes
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> On 05 Jan 2016, at 21:17, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> wrote:
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> Romain – I am not convinced that locators are dependent on the format, packaging or online/offline state.  It could well be that locators are (and perhaps should be) agnostic, just as the web itself is.   The only thing that is “specific” about a URI is the protocol itself – but beyond that, it doesn’t matter what is on the other end or how you get to it.
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> Oh, I 100% agree. I was talking about the Locators Task Force's **work**.
> Romain.
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> Leonard
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> From:  Romain Deltour <rdeltour@gmail.com <mailto:rdeltour@gmail.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 3:11 PM
> To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>>
> Cc: Dave Cramer <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com <mailto:Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com>>, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>, Nick Ruffilo <nickruffilo@gmail.com <mailto:nickruffilo@gmail.com>>, Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com <mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>>, Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org <mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org <mailto:public-digipub-ig@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: Musings on PWP Offline/Online Modes
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> It's clear from this thread that the Locators TF's work is strongly dependent on several other aspects of PWP, in particular on packaging and offline/online approaches, and consequently on the PWP manifest, which is likely to be a key part of solving these issues.
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> I now see that Dave just started a thread on the manifest. Great!
> Are there wiki pages or other info that would summarises the current views and decisions on the offline/online mode and packaging stories? or is everything described in the PWP editors draft?.
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> Sorry if I missed some bits. I'm a recent member of the IG, although I've been watching from the peanut gallery for quite some time :)
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> Romain.
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> On 05 Jan 2016, at 16:44, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org <mailto:ivan@w3.org>> wrote:
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> I think the goal should be somewhere in the middle. I agree that the definition of PWP should be, as much as possible, implementation agnostic, but I agree with Dave that saying "we don't care" is also not appropriate. 
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> We may have to define a PWP Processor in the abstract sense. What a processor is supposed to do to answer to different use cases, what are its functionalities, that sort of things. We may not define it in a normative way in the sense of some formal language or terminology, but we have to understand what can, cannot, should, or should not be done with a PWP. And it is certainly important to know whether the realization of such a PWP processor is possible with today's technologies, what is PWP specific and what can be reused off the shelf, etc.
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> Ivan
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> On 5 Jan 2016, at 16:24, Cramer, Dave <Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com <mailto:Dave.Cramer@hbgusa.com>> wrote:
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> On Jan 5, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>> wrote:
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> Nick – the specifics of how an RS chooses (or not) to cache are out of scope for PWP.  They may make sense for some sort of format-specific work (eg. best practices for PWP with EPUB) but we don’t care about it here.
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> Remember – PWP is format/packaging and implementation agnostic.   (we seemed to all agree to that pre-holidays)
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> The fact that an existing web technology can solve a critical use case for PWP is on-topic in my opinion, and learning about such things can only help our work. Such technologies may not be a part of the documents we produce, but saying "we don't care about it here" I think sends the wrong message. 
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> Dave
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