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RE: The HTML q element can sometimes be useful. Discuss.

From: Rebeca Ruiz Sánchez <rebeca@cornac.es>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 23:48:19 +0200
Message-ID: <CAPetEF6P3kjVa2w+uP=UZ7LG7qYYtpGkVEeHBF9sJ2jjYU2+qA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Tex Texin <textexin@xencraft.com>
Cc: public-digipub-ig@w3.org, Florian Rivoal <florian@rivoal.net>, Nick Barreto <nick@canelo.co>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, www International <www-international@w3.org>
El 27/4/2016 8:10 p. m., "Tex Texin" <textexin@xencraft.com> escribió:
> That and the lack of default quote marks surrounding blockquote.

Have a look to Spanish classic novel "La Regenta". Interior monologue.

*«“¡Oh, a él, a don Álvaro **Mesía** le pasaba aquello! ¿Y el ridículo?
¡Qué diría Visita,* [...] *qué diría el mundo entero!*

*”Dirían que un cura le había derrotado. ¡Aquello pedía sangre! Sí, pero
esta era **otra”**. Si don Álvaro se figuraba al Magistral vestido de
levita, acudiendo a un duelo a que él le retaba... sentía **escalofríos»*

(Clarín *Regenta* [Esp. 1884-85]).

You can see " follow-up quotes" in this block quote.

And now let's read a dialogue from " The catcher in the rye":

—Dígame, Howitz —le dije—. ¿Pasa usted muchas veces junto al lago del
Central Park?
—El lago, sabe. Ese lago pequeño que hay cerca de Central South Park. Donde
están los patos. ¿Sabe, no?
—Sí. ¿Qué pasa con ese lago?

"Hey, listen," I said. "You know those ducks in that lagoon right near
Central Park South? That little lake? By any chance, do you happen to know
where they go, the ducks, when it gets all frozen over? Do you happen to
know, by any chance?" I realized it was only one chance in a million.

He turned around and looked at me like I was a madman. "What're ya tryna
do, bud?" he said. "Kid me?"

Regardless of the typographical sign used, the <q> element may be good for
interior monologues but not for dialogues. The <q> element tends to be used
in English dialogues because they are rendered usually with quotes. In
Spanish the distinction between dialogue and quote is very dramatic because
dialogues are typically rendered with em dashes.


Rebeca Ruiz.

> From: Florian Rivoal [mailto:florian@rivoal.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 8:33 AM
> To: Nick Barreto
> Cc: Richard Ishida; W3C Digital Publishing IG; www International
> Subject: Re: The HTML q element can sometimes be useful. Discuss.
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 16:14, Nick Barreto <nick@canelo.co> wrote:
>>> Unlike sentence ending periods, quotation marks do change based on the
styling of the document (more so for blockquote than for q, but still).
>> How semantically different are <q> and <blockquote>, apart from <q>
clearly being inline? Or have I just described the entire difference?
> As far as I understand, that's the difference. Besides the display:block
vs display:inline, this also implies that typically, <q> is in the middle
of a sentence while <blockquote> is not, but I believe that's it.
>  - Florian
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