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Re: HTML-Note and bibliographies

From: Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:38:21 -0500
Message-ID: <CAJdbnOCJGY1gVfG6-5mtmKYOsjEnJ0Bx9OgyHfnU5vQFr0e4+A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
Cc: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, Liam Quin <liam@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Well - there is no requirement that bibliographic citations use this
facility, of course.  Also, with the type="none" change you wouldn't get
the numbers displayed on those citations.  Instead you would get their
@title value if they had one - which could be an APA or MLA style citation,
for example.  Now this is not perfect.... Liam has pointed out a problem
with this technique, but it is an option.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>
wrote:

> I should also point out that many publishers are wary about letting a
> system auto-number bibliographic citations (though they love the
> convenience of autonumbering footnotes). The reason is that footnotes can
> move around a lot in the course of editing and producing a publication (and
> must always be in consecutive numerical order), whereas bibliographic
> citations tend to be fixed. Also, bibliographic citations are most often
> cited by many multiple points in the text (whereas footnotes are typically
> one-to-one). So a <label> with explicit content would often be preferable
> to publishers, I think, for bibliographic citations, with unique @ids that
> don't care about being consecutive on each citation and @hrefs every place
> they're cited in the text.—Bill Kasdorf
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> *From:* Ivan Herman [mailto:ivan@w3.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 26, 2016 3:39 AM
> *To:* Shane McCarron
> *Cc:* Liam Quin; W3C Digital Publishing IG
> *Subject:* Re: HTML-Note and bibliographies
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> On 26 Apr 2016, at 01:40, Shane McCarron <shane@spec-ops.io> wrote:
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> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Liam R. E. Quin <liam@w3.org> wrote:
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> On Mon, 2016-04-25 at 12:07 -0500, Shane McCarron wrote:
> > There was a question in the meeting today about whether a
> > bibliography
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> >    - If "type" is empty for a note, then prefer its title attribute
> > for
> >    display value
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> In general it's poor design to take text content from attributes,
> because that precludes having markup (e.g. if a bibliographic reference
> italicizes "et al." in the list of authors or puts a journal volume
> number in bold, or has Japanese ruby annotations). So I'm a little wary
> of this. See [Quin, Rueben, Io _et. al_, 1984_b_] for details :-).
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> Yeah - I am aware of this (obviously).  But I don't really have a good
> alternative that would be both flexible AND easy to use.  The title
> attribute accommodates popular citation styles (e.g., APA).   Do you have
> an alternate suggestion?
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> Well… I have seen bibliographies in history (my wife is a historian) where
> the citation mark is an arabic number in superscript:-(
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Shane McCarron
Projects Manager, Spec-Ops
Received on Tuesday, 26 April 2016 14:39:16 UTC

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