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Re: Usage of the EPUB term in the PWD document

From: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:55:56 +0000
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
CC: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, Tzviya Siegman <tsiegman@wiley.com>, Markus Gylling <markus.gylling@gmail.com>, "W3C Digital Publishing IG" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <FA6A16E7-5AC2-407B-9663-FE197AC46FAA@adobe.com>
Agreed. There are definitely some uses of EPUB, such as in examples, where it makes perfect since since it is indeed a good existing example to look at.  However, there are also a few cases where it still seems to lean on it as a the “solution”.

Leonard




On 9/27/15, 9:06 AM, "Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org> wrote:

>(Changed the subject again)
>
>Leonard,
>
>of course not. However, I wonder if it was not easier if the various occurrences were subject of separate issues that we could then discuss and collectively decide upon individually. 
>
>One more general remark: we have to be careful with this issue, because it has a non-technical aspect to it, too. While we should indeed think in terms of general concepts, we shouldn't forget and ignore the realities out there in terms of EPUB deployment; in other words the message should not alienate the publishing industry that has invested in EPUB. There is a fine line we have to find.
>
>Cheers
>
>Ivan 
>
>---
>Ivan Herman
>Tel:+31 641044153
>http://www.ivan-herman.net

>
>(Written on mobile, sorry for brevity and misspellings...)
>
>
>
>> On 27 Sep 2015, at 14:37, Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I took at look at the document and it’s definitely getting there.  However, I still find too many references to EPUB where they aren’t necessary.  Any objection to edits and submitting pull requests?
>> 
>> Leonard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/26/15, 12:33 AM, "Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bill,
>>> 
>>> I have added an issue to the new repository of the PWD document and a reference to that issue in the main text[1]. I think it is a good practice to make clear references to such open issues in the draft while it is still evolving…
>>> 
>>> Ivan
>>> 
>>> [1] https://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwd/

>>> 
>>>> On 25 Sep 2015, at 22:57 , Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Changed subject line
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bill Kasdorf
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 4:49 PM
>>>> To: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken; Leonard Rosenthol; Markus Gylling; 'W3C Digital Publishing IG'
>>>> Subject: RE: [DPUB] 20150928 agenda
>>>> 
>>>> Just to beat the proverbial dead horse, I too am happy about the title but unhappy to see the word Documents instead of Publications used in it.
>>>> 
>>>> I voted for "doc-" (over "dpub-") mainly because of Matt's observation that the markup that will use that prefix is in content documents, which are components of publications (as well as being used in documents that aren't publications). And yes, a single document can be a publication.
>>>> 
>>>> But I deal with publications that are thousands of pages long, composed of scores or sometimes hundreds of documents, not to mention all the other files they contain that aren't documents. It is just _very_ difficult for me to get my head around characterizing that thing as "a document."
>>>> 
>>>> But I have lost this battle so I will shut up now.
>>>> 
>>>> --Bill K
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken [mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 4:36 PM
>>>> To: Leonard Rosenthol; Markus Gylling; 'W3C Digital Publishing IG'
>>>> Subject: RE: [DPUB] 20150928 agenda
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Leonard,
>>>> 
>>>> You'll be very happy to see that the revised document has a new title, "Portable Web Documents for the Open Web Platform".
>>>> 
>>>> Let's all keep in mind that publishing in W3C-land means putting out a First Public Working Draft. I don't think it's necessary to complete a glossary prior to publication. We were hoping to wrap up the glossary on Monday so that we can move toward publishing this document.
>>>> 
>>>> Have a good weekend,
>>>> Tzviya
>>>> 
>>>> Tzviya Siegman
>>>> Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead Wiley
>>>> 201-748-6884
>>>> tsiegman@wiley.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 4:29 PM
>>>> To: Markus Gylling; 'W3C Digital Publishing IG'
>>>> Subject: Re: [DPUB] 20150928 agenda
>>>> 
>>>> Regrets.
>>>> 
>>>> On the second topic - we can’t publish it until we change the name.  We can’t change the name until we finish the glossary…
>>>> 
>>>> Leonard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/25/15, 3:59 PM, "Markus Gylling" <markus.gylling@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Below is the draft agenda for next week's IG concall, to be held at the
>>>>> usual time and day [0]. Please let us know if you are able to scribe.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please join the call via WebEx [1] and join IRC [11] for live chat &
>>>>> minutes (IRC channel #dpub).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Webex:
>>>>> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m09c698f2da7d2f28d301b85cf2d76b08

>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Agenda:
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Scribe
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Approve Minutes [2]
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Towards completion of the glossary [3]
>>>>> 
>>>>> * Updates to the epub-web draft [4] - publish as FPWD?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> [0]
>>>>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=DPUB+IG+meetin

>>>>> g&iso=20150928T11&p1=43
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/WebEx

>>>>> 
>>>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/09/21-dpub-minutes.html

>>>>> 
>>>>> [3] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Glossary

>>>>> 
>>>>> [4] link to be sent by Ivan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> 
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