Meeting minutes, 2015-05-11

The meeting minutes are at: http://www.w3.org/2015/05/11-dpub-minutes.html

Textual format below.

Thanks to Tzviya and Markus for scribing

Ivan

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Ivan Herman, W3C
Digital Publishing Activity Lead
Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
mobile: +31-641044153
ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/0000-0003-0782-2704




   [1]W3C

      [1] http://www.w3.org/

            Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

11 May 2015

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://www.w3.org/mid/554BE31B.2090102@gmail.com

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2015/05/11-dpub-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Charles LaPierre (clapierre), Vladimir Levantovski
          (Vlad), Tzviya Siegman (Tzviya), Bill Kasdorf
          (Bill_Kasdorf), Nick Ruffilo (NickRuffilo), Ivan Herman
          (Ivan), Deborah Kaplan (deborahGU), Brady Duga (duga),
          Markus Gylling (mgylling), Alan Stearns (astearns), Tim
          Cole (TimCole), Ayla Stein (ayla_stein), Bert Bos
          (Bert), Laura Fowler (lfowler), David Stroup
          (david_stroup), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Liam Quin
          (Liam)

   Regrets
          Phil Madans, Luc Audrain, Peter Kreutzberger

   Chair
          markus

   Scribe
          tzviya, mgylling

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]approve minutes
         2. [6]changes to audio bridge
         3. [7]Accessibility TF update
         4. [8]DPUB ARIA update
         5. [9]F2F actions
         6. [10]Package spec update
         7. [11]STEM survey update
     * [12]Summary of Action Items
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   <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2015

   <tzviya> scribenick: tzviya

approve minutes

   [13]http://www.w3.org/2015/04/27-dpub-minutes.html

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2015/04/27-dpub-minutes.html

   markus: minutes approved

changes to audio bridge

   Ivan: Zakim bridge will end at the end of June
   ... MIT has moved to WebEx and VOIP

   <ivan> [14]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/WebEx

     [14] https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/WebEx

   Ivan: and will not continue to finance Zakim and pushing us to
   move to WebEx
   ... I have set up a WebEx account and wiki page
   ... It can be used in same way as Zakim and can download app
   ... Can use on iOS and Android, not Linux
   ... Can request system to dial out to international number
   ... System for queue control, etc. is not available on WebEx
   ... We will continue to use IRC and Zakim bots for these things
   ... We will not use WebEx chat for these things
   ... Practical difference is that everyone should type in
   Present+ and name so minute system can track
   ... We will probably transition at first meeting after F2F (1
   Jun)

   Bill_Kasdorf: it sounds like we are using the audio aspects of
   webex, but nothing else?

   Ivan: we do not want to exclude anyone

   Nick: we can still use the screen sharing

   Ivan: Best idea is to put slides on web or send to Ivan in
   advance

   Markus: scribing is still on IRC

Accessibility TF update

   Deborah: A11y TF put together detailed spreadsheet of what
   aspects of WCAG are relevant/not relevant to DPUB
   ... this helped us understand what aspects of publishing are
   NOT addressed by existing standards

   <dkaplan3>
   [15]https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/blob/gh-pages/ind
   ex.html

     [15] https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/blob/gh-pages/index.html

   Deborah: This is a draft of a note for W3C, mostly an outline
   at this point
   ... would love to receive input

   [16]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-accessibility/

     [16] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-accessibility/

   Deborah: at F2F meeting will sit down with BISG and talk about
   what these 2 groups can do together
   ... want to address the possibility of this TF assisting in
   communications between BISG and W3C
   ... if we see gaps in publisher knowledge, we can let BISG know
   ... if BISG sees holes in standards. they can let us know

   ivan: With whom would you like to have contact in WAI?

   Deborah: good question. Not yet resolved. we need to know if
   BISG wants this, and then we need to talk to WAI
   ... We have been in touch w Jeanne Spellman

   Bill_K: I think this is what BISG will want to do - 2-way
   communication liaison

   Deborah: we are hopeful that this won't involve too much
   process. It's good to hear that you think this is aligned with
   BISG's thinking
   ... this is an opportunity for W3C reps to speak to content
   creators and find out how it's going

   clapierre: We hope to see concrete next steps come out of the
   F2F

   mgylling: question about the note

   <scribe> ...finished survey of techniques and begun work on
   what's missing. Is the note intended to cover both topics or
   just one?

   <clapierre1>
   [17]https://docs.google.com/a/benespace.org/spreadsheets/d/125h
   GDyBfr8fHtN0kRr_yKgXrrEXqFLAHIQhUcoGGLnU/edit#gid=0

     [17] https://docs.google.com/a/benespace.org/spreadsheets/d/125hGDyBfr8fHtN0kRr_yKgXrrEXqFLAHIQhUcoGGLnU/edit#gid=0

   deborah: cover both

   markus: is there a public space to share what's missing?

   deborah: see charles' notes

   markus: is it OK to share the document with others who can
   contribute to it?

   deborah: OK
   ... the spreadsheet is just a brainstorm document and is very
   broad
   ... and, it's not vetted, so some of the issues may be covered
   by specs

   tzviya: consider using the wiki to gather comments instead of
   google sheet - if it works

   mgylling: F2F meeting devotes 45 min to a11y. Will all be about
   collaboration with BISG?

   clappierre: yes

   <mgylling> scribenick: mgylling

DPUB Aria Update

   Tzviya: last time week spoke we did a call or consensus on the
   dpub role draft. PF prepared for a similar call and a lot of
   issues came up, primarily around the general extensibility of
   ARIA.

   … this is the first time an extensions of ARIA is proposed,
   created a lot of discussion within PF and HTML WGs

   … we decided that until a decision is made on extensibility, we
   put the draft work on ice

   … Ivan even went to Paris to discuss this topic

   … another option is to create a extensions spec to HTML
   depending on how the ARIA extension rules end up

   Ivan: There is tension within the ARIA group on whether the
   role attribute is bound to AT usage, or can be used more
   generally for structural information.

   … some people are on the restrictive side, and do not want a
   large number of new values for role

   … and they have understandable arguments but on the other hand
   if we follow that argument to the end it would be too
   restrictive for our uses

   … I have written down a document with option, not yet public

   … next step is to go back to PF and make a final decision

   … hope that have this done before F2F

   Tzviya: publishing the note, published by which group?

   Ivan: that would just be a discussion paper on a wiki

   <tzviya> mgylling: if we end up doing an extension to HTML, we
   still need to have a clear mapping to AT

   <tzviya> ...so, we would still need to work with ARIA to figure
   out how to map

   <tzviya> ...Further, there was interest in adding some of our
   terms to ARIA Core

   <tzviya> Ivan: this was one of the options that I listed, and
   we would be in discussion with them

   <tzviya>
   [18]https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_
   Details

     [18] https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details

F2F actions

   scribenick mgylling

   Tzviya: final nag about the F2F.

   … call-in information is still missing

   Ivan: we can set up a WebEx session

   <astearns> ivan: I'd like to dial in for packaging and
   pagination

Packaging update

   Ivan: I talked to the TAG chair about packaging at the AC
   meeting

   … discussion now within community whether packaging is
   something they want in the first place

   … some say that using the manifest is enough

   … maybe with service workers involved

   … I gave information about EPUB-WEB to Daniel Applequist, and
   he may also dial in for the discussion

   … bottom line for is that we have to collect our use cases and
   give lots of force to it

   Tzviya: is one of our goals of our packaging sesssion then to
   have an outline for the use case doc?

   Ivan: yes, and analyze whether this works for us or does not

STEM survey update

   Nick: we had a good discussion on STEM survey results last
   friday, I am putting all the data into a database with a top
   end

   … the results ultimately can only lead to building a better
   survey that goes out to more people

Summary of Action Items

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