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[Minutes] 2015-01-26 Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 18:07:44 +0100
Message-ID: <54C67460.9080507@w3.org>
To: "public-digipub-ig@w3.org >> W3C Digital Publishing IG" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>

Hi all,

The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference 
dated 2015-01-26 are now available at


These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki

Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.


Thierry Michel



       [1] http://www.w3.org/

             Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

26 Jan 2015

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc


           Ben de Meester (bjdmeest), Markus Gylling (Markus),
           Tzviya Siegman (tzviya),Thierry Michel (tmichel),
           Kawakubo (kwkbtr), Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Rob
           Sanderson (azaroth), Dave Cramer (dauwhe),  Liam Quin
           (Liam), Paul Belfanti (pbelfanti), Charles LaPierre
           (clapierre), Alan Stearns (Stearns),  Deborah Kaplan
           (dkaplan3), David Stroup, Manuel Rego Casasnovas (rego),
           Peter Linss (plinss) , Mike Miller (MikeMiller), Heather
           Flanagan (HeatherF), mihnea, iank.

           Phil, Ivan, Luc, Ayla




      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]approval of minutes from last week
          2. [5]use cases for Houdini
          3. [6]packaging on the web document
      * [7]Summary of Action Items

    <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2015

    <HeatherF> Ha! Figured out my first zakim instruction!

    <tzviya> agenda

    <tzviya> * Approval of last week's minutes [1]

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

    <tzviya> * Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)

    <tzviya> * Introduce and review Packaging on the Web [2]

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/26-dpub-irc

    <mgylling> scribe: mgylling

    <tzviya> minutes

       [8] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/05-dpub-minutes.html

approval of minutes from last week

    Tzviya: minutes are approved

    <liza> YEAH MINUTES!!!

    <pkra1> those weren't last week's minutes?

    <murakami> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html

       [9] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/12-dpub-minutes.html

    <Vlad> Sorry, I am on the IRC only today

    <tzviya> Use Cases for Houdini (Brady and Markus)

use cases for Houdini

    <dauwhe> [10]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout

      [10] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout

    Tzviya: Brady and Markus has been working on these

    <pbelfanti> *Paul waves back to Karen :)

    Brady: the update is I am typing right now… Markus did contact
    me and mention that we need to have these ready

    <david_stroup> I'm 585.217

    … I am updating some of the requirements, adding a few more

    … and we need to pull out those relating to personalization

    … working on pending action items as well

    … still hasnt really been looked at by other implementors as
    far as I know, Markus have you contacted anyone?

    … I am concerned, we should vet it before exposing to CSSWG

    Tzviya: there are some RS and browser that I could expose this
    to if you are interested

    Brady: I think opening this up for comments to any implementor
    is fine

    <pkra1> +q

    Brady: I will try and finish today, and then I’ll ping the list

    pkra: for us at MathJax it is very interesting, simply because
    polyfilling something as complex as MathML […], the MathML WG
    may be interested as well

    … re Houdini

    Brady: Houdini has a very broad interest base

    Tzviya: Brady, you said you’re working on the pagination AND

    <dauwhe> pkra: have you seen
    [11]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout? Any
    ideas along these lines that would help with Math would be

      [11] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout?

    Brady: I am just moving the personalization stuff, not adding
    anything new

    Tzviya: we have personalization use cases already… [scrolling]
    …. I think we need to clean that up and combine everything

    … Markus and I agree to take a look at this re cleanup, anyone
    want to help?

    Liza: I can do it

    <astearns> inasmuch as Houdini may need new hooks for runtime
    style modifications, it may open new avenues for

    Tzviya: we should have something to present by early next week

    dauwhe: posted a link to part of the wiki mostly for techie

    … I have a tiny wishlist for DPUB at the bottom

    <tzviya> [12]https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout

      [12] https://wiki.css-houdini.org/explaining-css-layout

    <murakami> Printing is also usecase of Houdini.

    <tzviya> [13]http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/

      [13] http://w3ctag.github.io/packaging-on-the-web/

packaging on the web document

    <tzviya> markus: we are looking for a review of the packaging
    for the web document

    <tzviya> ... from the perspective of DPUB. It is an alrernative
    to zip and represents a proposal for multipart MIME

    <tzviya> ...IDPF did have a version of multipart MIME, and it
    would be interesting to see a comparison of these versions

    <liza> Skinnier jeans?

    <tzviya> brady: the IDPF multipart MIME from 1999 was rejected
    because people were interested only in zip

    <tzviya> ...it's a little odd that this came out without
    consulting the digital publishing community and asking what was

    <tzviya> markus: perhaps now is the time for comments on ed

    <tzviya> markus: the idea of native support in browsers is

    <tzviya> tzviya: perhaps the reason that this is relevant now
    is that there is interest in publishing not just "content", but
    information beyond content

    <tzviya> ...such as data-sets, excel files, programming code...

    <tzviya> ...and, as people read on mobile devices, zip is not
    the simplest option

    <tzviya> ...Proprietary options are becoming available

    <tzviya> dauwhe: I read the spec and concluded that I don't
    understand packaging

    Tzviya: I also read through the spec, and was technically
    challenging… like with CFI, if there aren’t tools, it cant
    really take off

    Dave: helpful if there was a guide for background

    <tzviya> dauwhe: it would be helpful to understand why this is
    being done now and read some background material

    <tzviya> markus: it would be nice to have 1999 version
    available for background

    <tzviya> ...the authors in 1999 probably had publishing in mind

    <tzviya> brady: I will send it out

    <tzviya> markus: we will do a coordinated IG response

    <astearns> I'll definitely review

    <tzviya> reviewers: brady, dave, tzviya, alan

    <tzviya> markus: 2 weeks from now, we will revisit Packaging
    for Web

    <scribe> Scribe: Markus

    Heather: will review i18n documentation


      [14] https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/64149/DPUB-STEM-2014-12/

    pkra: sent out an email with final draft of STEM survey, please
    take a look so that we rollout next month as planned

    <pkra1> thx

    <HeatherF> thanks

Summary of Action Items

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