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RE: Footnote discussions

From: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <tsiegman@wiley.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 13:38:12 -0500
To: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>, Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>, "David MacDonald" <david100@sympatico.ca>
CC: Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com>, Liam R E Quin <liam@w3.org>, "Bill Kasdorf" <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>, "public-digipub-ig@w3.org" <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>, "matt. garrish@bell. net (matt.garrish@bell.net)" <matt.garrish@bell.net>
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+Matt Garrish for his Canadian 2 Cents, and his insights based on the in-depth conversation we had about this very thing in the context of ARIA.

Here is the thread https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Feb/0021.html

Tzviya Siegman * Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead * John Wiley & Sons, Inc.
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From: ahby@aptest.com [mailto:ahby@aptest.com] On Behalf Of Shane McCarron
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 1:32 PM
To: Dave Cramer; David MacDonald
Cc: Robert Sanderson; Liam R E Quin; Bill Kasdorf; George Kerscher; public-digipub-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Footnote discussions

Just looping in David MacDonald, since I referenced his article at the beginning of this whole thing!

Hi David!  Do me a favor, read through this and then put in your $0.02 (Canadian, of course).

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com<mailto:shane@aptest.com>> wrote:
In terms of HTML, I hope it will be sufficient to provide the semantic markup (this is a note.  This is a reference to a note).  I don't think it is necessary to be overly constraining about how it is rendered.  Different media will have different rendering requirements.  Different users will have different needs.  I want to right click and be able to say "show me the footnote as a popup".  You want it to appear when you hover over the reference.  Others will want it in floating content at the side of the page.  No reason all of those can't be legitimate.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com<mailto:dauwhe@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Robert Sanderson <azaroth42@gmail.com<mailto:azaroth42@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is there a significant difference between a footnote and an annotation, other than the positioning?  If there is, I'm missing it :)

A footnote could be seen as an annotation by the author of their own document, but it's also an integral part of the original document in a way that feels different than other sorts of annotations. I don't know if that matters for the markup, but I think it's a rather significant use case.

Wouldn't a hint to the client that a particular area on the page (foot, side, wherever) was reserved for rendering annotations suffice?

Given the huge variety of ways to display such information, and the long history of some rendering options, I think we need to give authors a fair amount of control over presentation. And that control would be equally useful for separate annotations. I just hope we don't see book endnotes rendered as an infinite scroll!


Shane McCarron
Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.

Shane McCarron
Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
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