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Re: Liza's review of Pages EPUB export

From: Liza Daly <liza@safaribooksonline.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:06:45 -0500
Message-ID: <CAF1pCNiBt5UFQ=tiKf+bkqaSGycFxhnn-BEhPdT=kjdy52Rh7w@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken" <tsiegman@wiley.com>
Cc: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, George Walkley <george.walkley@hachette.co.uk>, "Belfanti, Paul" <paul.belfanti@pearson.com>, Livio Mondini <l.mondini@webprofession.com>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Ha! I don't mind revising it; it's amazingly old.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken <
tsiegman@wiley.com> wrote:

> It’s important to note that Liza wrote this before EPUB 3 existed.  One of
> us should take a closer look at this with EPUB 3+ eyes. I’m sure Liza and I
> have a lot of spare time to do this together J.
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> *From:* Bill Kasdorf [mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:41 AM
> *To:* George Walkley; Belfanti, Paul; Livio Mondini
> *Cc:* Ivan Herman; W3C Digital Publishing IG; 'liza@safaribooksonline.com'
> *Subject:* RE: Liza's review of Pages EPUB export
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> Thanks too for this—this link is going in my presentation (and its
> accompanying report) too.
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> Also note how key the style names are. This is fundamental. It's why when
> I work on modeling for clients I start way upstream with the vocabulary for
> the components. You want to retain that all through the workflow as much as
> possible, starting with editing. You wouldn't believe how much easier this
> makes everything.
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> Which gets us right into our structural semantics vs. content semantics
> discussion. Liza's example of the behavior associated with the Chapter Name
> style  (wrt chunking, NCX, nav, toc, etc.) vs. the behavior associated with
> the Chapter Subtitle style couldn't be a clearer example.
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> Copying Liza because her ears must be burning.
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> Thanks, Liza!
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> --Bill K
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> *From:* George Walkley [mailto:george.walkley@hachette.co.uk
> <george.walkley@hachette.co.uk>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:41 AM
> *To:* Belfanti, Paul; Livio Mondini
> *Cc:* Ivan Herman; W3C Digital Publishing IG
> *Subject:* Re: An unexpected usage of EPUB:-)
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> @liza took a look at this when the feature was first introduced:
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> https://blog.safaribooksonline.com/2010/08/26/test-driving-apple-pages-with-epub-export
> /
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> *From: *<Belfanti>, Paul <paul.belfanti@pearson.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 19 November 2014 13:49
> *To: *Livio Mondini <l.mondini@webprofession.com>
> *Cc: *Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <
> public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: An unexpected usage of EPUB:-)
> *Resent-From: *<public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Wednesday, 19 November 2014 13:50
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> And does it generate a valid EPUB 3? One that would pass epubcheck?
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> Either way, it's good/interesting news.
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> *Paul*
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> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Livio Mondini <
> l.mondini@webprofession.com> wrote:
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> I agree, many blind people that i know do the same finding much more confortable with HTML. But have you looked at what sort of html Pages generate?
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> Livio
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> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
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> I realized today a strange thing when using Mac' Pages program (that is a
> Word-like program for Mac, produced by Apple, although infinitely simpler
> than Word). Pages has various export functionalities. To my surprise, it
> does not have an HTML export; to my even greater (and pleasant) surprise,
> it has an EPUB export. Which makes sense if the document contains drawings,
> for example.
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> This is pretty much in line with our thoughts on epub.next, and also has a
> side effect. If one wants simply an HTML from a text only page, then
> generate the EPUB, unzip it, and there you have the HTML...
>
> :-)
>
> Ivan
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