- From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 09:17:50 +0100
- To: W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
dated 2014-01-20 are now available at
http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-20
These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
Best,
Thierry Michel
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[1] https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dpub/2014-01-20?edit=1
Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
Minutes of 20 January 2014
Present
[2]Alan Stearns, [3]Bert Bos, [4]Bill Kasdorf, [5]Brady
Duga, [6]Ivan Herman, [7]Jean Kaplansky, [8]Liza Daly,
[9]Luc Audrain, [10]Madi Solomon, [11]Markus Gylling,
[12]Robert Sanderson, [13]Thierry Michel, [14]Tom De
Nies, [15]Tzviya Siegman, [16]Vladimir Levantovsky,
[17]Xiaoqian (W3C)
[2] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[3] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bert_Bos
[4] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[5] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[6] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[7] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[8] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[9] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[10] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
[11] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[12] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[13] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
[14] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
[15] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[16] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky
[17] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
Guests
[18]Xiaoqian (W3C)
[18] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
Regrets
[19]Luc Audrain, [20]Brady Duga , [21]Vladimir
Levantovsky, [22]Tom De Nies, [23]Laura Fowler
[19] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[20] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/%20Brady%20Duga
[21] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky
[22] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
[23] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura%20Fowler
Scribe
[24]Liza Daly
[24] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
IRC Log
[25]Original
[25] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/20-dpub-irc
Resolutions
None.
Topics
1. [26]Chinese DPUB Community Group
2. [27]content adaption task force
[28]Robert Sanderson: zakim aadd is me [29]←
16:01:10 <azaroth> zakim, aadd is me
[28] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[30]Robert Sanderson: zakim, aadd is me [31]←
16:01:10 <ivan> zakim, aadd is azaroth
[30] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[32]Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is azaroth [33]←
16:01:11 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
[32] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth; got it [34]←
16:01:11 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named
'aadd' [35]←
16:02:43 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
[36]Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here? [37]←
16:02:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see tzviya, liza, Xiaoqian, [IPcaller],
+1.734.904.aacc, azaroth, ivan, Stearns, mgylling
[36] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see tzviya, liza, Xiaoqian,
[IPcaller], +1.734.904.aacc, azaroth, ivan, Stearns, mgylling
[38]←
16:02:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf, Vincent_Gr
os, liza, tzviya, dauwhe, mgylling, xiaoqian, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, ast
earns, plinss, Liam|Snow, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, azaroth, Bill_Kasdorf,
Vincent_Gros, liza, tzviya, dauwhe, mgylling, xiaoqian, Zakim,
RRSAgent, ivan, astearns, plinss, Liam|Snow, trackbot [39]←
16:03:18 <liza> NO PRESSURE
[40]Liza Daly: NO PRESSURE [41]←
16:03:41 <Zakim> +??P13
[40] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 [42]←
16:03:47 <tmichel> zakim, ??P13 is me
[43]Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P13 is me [44]←
16:03:47 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
[43] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it [45]←
16:03:51 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Bill_Kasdorf
[46]Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is Bill_Kasdorf [47]←
16:03:51 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf; got it
[46] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf; got it [48]←
16:04:51 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert [49]←
16:04:52 <liza> AHEM
[50]Liza Daly: AHEM [51]←
16:04:59 <ivan> zakim, pick a victim
[50] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[52]Ivan Herman: zakim, pick a victim [53]←
16:05:00 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I
propose liza
[52] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed
recently, I propose liza [54]←
16:05:17 <liza> HEY WAIT WHAT
[55]Liza Daly: HEY WAIT WHAT [56]←
16:05:18 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky
[55] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky [57]←
16:05:41 <mgylling> scribe: liza
(Scribe set to [58]Liza Daly)
16:05:52 <liza> OKAY FINE
[58] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
OKAY FINE [59]←
16:06:25 <liza> Markus: One additional agenda item: guest introduction a
nd collaboration between Chinese Digital Publishing Community Group
[60]Markus Gylling: One additional agenda item: guest
introduction and collaboration between Chinese Digital
Publishing Community Group [61]←
16:06:35 <liza> DON'T TEMPT ME
[60] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
DON'T TEMPT ME [62]←
16:06:46 <mgylling> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-i
g/2014Jan/0019.html<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-i
g/2014Jan/0013.html
[63]Markus Gylling:
[64]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014J
an/0019.html<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub
-ig/2014Jan/0013.html [65]←
16:06:49 <liza> Markus: Last week's minutes need approval
[63] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[64]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Jan/0019.html%3Chttp://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Jan/0013.html
[66]Markus Gylling: Last week's minutes need approval [67]←
16:07:02 <Zakim> +madi
[66] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: +madi [68]←
16:07:03 <liza> Markus: Approved
[69]Markus Gylling: Approved [70]←
16:07:06 <ivan> Topic: Chinese DPUB Community Group
[69] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
1. Chinese DPUB Community Group
16:07:28 <liza> Markus: Xiaoqian is introduced
[71]Markus Gylling: Xiaoqian is introduced
[71] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[72]Xiaoqian (W3C): You can call me Cindy [73]←
16:08:12 <Madi> Welcome Cindy!
[72] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
[74]Madi Solomon: Welcome Cindy! [75]←
16:08:45 <liza> Xiaoqian: Digital Publishing Interest Group formed in Ch
ina to address copyright issues
[74] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
[76]Xiaoqian (W3C): Digital Publishing Interest Group formed in
China to address copyright issues [77]←
16:09:39 <liza> Xiaoqian: There is eagerness to enter this industry, but
not enough standardization. Group formed to share concerns about conten
t protection
[76] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
[78]Xiaoqian (W3C): There is eagerness to enter this industry,
but not enough standardization. Group formed to share concerns
about content protection
[78] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
[79]Xiaoqian (W3C): We want to see cooperation between the
Chinese industry and other countries despite differences in
language and culture [80]←
16:10:39 <ivan> q+
[79] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
[81]Ivan Herman: q+ [82]←
16:10:49 <liza> Xiaoqian: We want to translate documents into Chinese an
d get Chinese industry to publish their concerns to the rest of the worl
d
[81] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[83]Xiaoqian (W3C): We want to translate documents into Chinese
and get Chinese industry to publish their concerns to the rest
of the world [84]←
16:10:58 <liza> Markus: This group was started just last week
[83] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
[85]Markus Gylling: This group was started just last week [86]←
16:11:13 <liza> Markus: How do we expect your community group and this i
ndustry group to collaborate?
[85] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[87]Markus Gylling: How do we expect your community group and
this interest group to collaborate? [88]←
16:11:21 <liza> s/industry/interest/
16:11:35 <liza> Markus: Do you expect to gather requirements that are sp
ecific to China?
[87] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[89]Markus Gylling: Do you expect to gather requirements that
are specific to China? [90]←
16:11:48 <liza> Xiaoqian: Next few months we will focus on information-s
haring
[89] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[91]Xiaoqian (W3C): Next few months we will focus on
information-sharing [92]←
16:12:06 <liza> Xiaoqian: We have most of the major producers in China n
ow, but need more
[91] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
[93]Xiaoqian (W3C): We have most of the major producers in
China now, but need more [94]←
16:12:37 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
[93] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
[95]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [96]←
16:12:52 <mgylling> ack ivan
[95] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[97]Markus Gylling: ack ivan [98]←
16:12:59 <liza> Xiaoqian: I would like to help using the community group
to add to any specifications
[97] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[99]Xiaoqian (W3C): I would like to help using the community
group to add to any specifications [100]←
16:13:24 <liza> Ivan: Discussions in that community group are in Chinese
[99] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
[101]Ivan Herman: Discussions in that community group are in
Chinese [102]←
16:13:48 <liza> Ivan: A few weeks ago a team member named Kenny has join
ed that group
[101] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[103]Ivan Herman: A few weeks ago a team member named Kenny has
joined that group [104]←
16:13:59 <liza> Ivan: So we have a person who will be on both groups
[103] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[105]Ivan Herman: So we have a person who will be on both
groups [106]←
16:14:14 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
[105] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[107]Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf [108]←
16:14:39 <liza> Bill_Kasdorf: Is your focus on books or other publicatio
ns?
[107] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[109]Bill Kasdorf: Is your focus on books or other
publications? [110]←
16:15:03 <liza> Xiaoqian: Focus is on EPUB, most of our members are from
the IT industry
[109] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[111]Xiaoqian (W3C): Focus is on EPUB, most of our members are
from the IT industry [112]←
16:16:13 <liza> Xiaoqian: Don't see much interest in journals/magazines
yet
[111] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
[113]Xiaoqian (W3C): Don't see much interest in
journals/magazines yet [114]←
16:16:56 <liza> Markus: Next, this week's focus theme
[113] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Xiaoqian_%28W3C%29
[115]Markus Gylling: Next, this week's focus theme [116]←
16:17:06 <ivan> Topic: content adaption task force
[115] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
2. content adaption task force
16:17:34 <liza> Markus: This task force's name is a little confusing, so
let's go back to the original intent of the task force
[117]Markus Gylling: This task force's name is a little
confusing, so let's go back to the original intent of the task
force [118]←
16:18:06 <liza> Markus: In digital publishing, where the open web platfo
rm is used in one way or another, the ecosystem has applied "extensions"
to the platform in order to achieve some interaction or behavioral goal
[117] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[119]Markus Gylling: In digital publishing, where the open web
platform is used in one way or another, the ecosystem has
applied "extensions" to the platform in order to achieve some
interaction or behavioral goal [120]←
16:18:31 <liza> Markus: One of the primary tasks of this IG is identify
"problems" in the OWP, and this task force is therefore important to our
mission
[119] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[121]Markus Gylling: One of the primary tasks of this IG is
identify "problems" in the OWP, and this task force is
therefore important to our mission [122]←
16:18:51 <liza> Markus: There are things that digital publishing needs t
o do but cannot without extensions, which may be declarative or scripted
[121] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[123]Markus Gylling: There are things that digital publishing
needs to do but cannot without extensions, which may be
declarative or scripted [124]←
16:19:09 <liza> Markus: One of the goals then is to identify what extens
ions are in use today
[123] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[125]Markus Gylling: One of the goals then is to identify what
extensions are in use today [126]←
16:19:31 <liza> Tzviya: Agree that's how it started out, got a little fu
zzy but we're bringing it back to that intent
[125] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[127]Tzviya Siegman: Agree that's how it started out, got a
little fuzzy but we're bringing it back to that intent [128]←
16:19:54 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Behavioral_UC6#Behavior
al_6
[127] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[129]Tzviya Siegman:
[130]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Behavioral_UC6#Behavioral_6
[131]←
16:19:55 <liza> Tzviya: Let's start with one of the existing use cases t
hat's a little less familiar to the group
[129] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[130] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Behavioral_UC6#Behavioral_6
[132]Tzviya Siegman: Let's start with one of the existing use
cases that's a little less familiar to the group [133]←
16:20:49 <liza> Tzviya: Scroll direction, which can be done with CSS but
is difficult (if at all). The goal is to allow the publisher to overrid
e the scroll direction that is the default for the language/script
[132] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[134]Tzviya Siegman: Scroll direction, which can be done with
CSS but is difficult (if at all). The goal is to allow the
publisher to override the scroll direction that is the default
for the language/script [135]←
16:21:30 <liza> Tzviya: I've seen this documented by one particular reta
iler. Has anyone seen this elsewhere?
[134] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[136]Tzviya Siegman: I've seen this documented by one
particular retailer. Has anyone seen this elsewhere? [137]←
16:21:46 <liza> Markus: I'm confused by whether this is the controlled b
y the publisher or the user/reader
[136] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[138]Markus Gylling: I'm confused by whether this is the
controlled by the publisher or the user/reader [139]←
16:21:55 <liza> Tzviya: Probably both?
[138] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[140]Tzviya Siegman: Probably both? [141]←
16:22:17 <liza> brady_duga: Maybe the intent was for the publisher to do
one thing and the reader to override that?
[140] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[142]Brady Duga: Maybe the intent was for the publisher to do
one thing and the reader to override that? [143]←
16:22:31 <liza> Tzviya: Need to go back to the source to clarify
[142] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[144]Tzviya Siegman: Need to go back to the source to clarify
[145]←
16:22:34 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
[144] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[146]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [147]←
16:23:05 <liza> brady_duga: I'm confused by why you'd change the scroll
direction independent of the layout
[146] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[148]Brady Duga: I'm confused by why you'd change the scroll
direction independent of the layout [149]←
16:23:34 <Bert> q+ to ask if this is about flipping pages to the right v
s down, rather than the scroll bar?
[148] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[150]Bert Bos: q+ to ask if this is about flipping pages to the
right vs down, rather than the scroll bar? [151]←
16:23:43 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
[150] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bert_Bos
[152]Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf [153]←
16:24:22 <liza> Bill_Kasdorf: Seems like 2 potential layers of override:
publisher overrides reading system, user needs to override publisher?
[152] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[154]Bill Kasdorf: Seems like 2 potential layers of override:
publisher overrides reading system, user needs to override
publisher? [155]←
16:24:30 <liza> Tzviya: Let's focus on the publisher use case
[154] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[156]Tzviya Siegman: Let's focus on the publisher use case
[157]←
16:24:36 <mgylling> ack Bert
[156] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[158]Markus Gylling: ack Bert [159]←
16:24:36 <Zakim> Bert, you wanted to ask if this is about flipping pages
to the right vs down, rather than the scroll bar?
[158] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: Bert, you wanted to ask if this is about
flipping pages to the right vs down, rather than the scroll
bar? [160]←
16:25:22 <liza> Bert: Depending on how the scrolling is laid out, it aff
ects how the text is divided into columns
[161]Bert Bos: Depending on how the scrolling is laid out, it
affects how the text is divided into columns [162]←
16:25:35 <liza> Bert: Is this related to the direction in which the page
s scroll?
[161] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bert_Bos
[163]Bert Bos: Is this related to the direction in which the
pages scroll? [164]←
16:25:57 <liza> Bert: RL/LR, or up-down (like a flip chart)
[163] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bert_Bos
[165]Bert Bos: RL/LR, or up-down (like a flip chart) [166]←
16:26:23 <liza> Tzviya: Maybe should've taken a different use case :)
[165] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bert_Bos
[167]Tzviya Siegman: Maybe should've taken a different use case
:) [168]←
16:26:44 <liza> Tzviya: The goal here was to provide an example of a _ty
pe_ of UC we are working on (rather than the specifics of this one)
[167] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[169]Tzviya Siegman: The goal here was to provide an example of
a _type_ of UC we are working on (rather than the specifics of
this one) [170]←
16:26:52 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Behavioral_UC7#Behavi
oral_7
[169] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[171]Markus Gylling:
[172]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Behavioral_UC7#Behavioral_7
[173]←
16:27:17 <liza> Markus: UC7 is also from a retailer
[171] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[172] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Behavioral_UC7#Behavioral_7
[174]Markus Gylling: UC7 is also from a retailer [175]←
16:27:37 <liza> Tzviya: I have seen this in more than one retailer's doc
umentation
[174] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[176]Tzviya Siegman: I have seen this in more than one
retailer's documentation [177]←
16:27:52 <liza> Tzviya: A single soundtrack loops without interruption t
hroughout the publication
[176] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[178]Tzviya Siegman: A single soundtrack loops without
interruption throughout the publication [179]←
16:28:26 <liza> Tzviya: This illustrates the kind of 'behavior' we're tr
ying to capture. Some kind of markup or attribute within the file causes
a _behavior_
[178] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[180]Tzviya Siegman: This illustrates the kind of 'behavior'
we're trying to capture. Some kind of markup or attribute
within the file causes a _behavior_ [181]←
16:29:03 <liza> Tzviya: We want to see that a given behavior is common a
cross platform, and not otherwise expressible in existing standards
[180] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[182]Tzviya Siegman: We want to see that a given behavior is
common across platform, and not otherwise expressible in
existing standards [183]←
16:29:15 <liza> Ivan: Probably no way to express the soundtrack UC in CS
S
[182] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[184]Ivan Herman: Probably no way to express the soundtrack UC
in CSS [185]←
16:29:42 <liza> Tzviya: Next steps: more categories of use cases where w
e see behaviors like this illustrated
[184] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[186]Tzviya Siegman: Next steps: more categories of use cases
where we see behaviors like this illustrated [187]←
16:30:01 <liza> Tzviya: I would like to hear from the group what other c
ategories of behaviors exist
[186] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[188]Tzviya Siegman: I would like to hear from the group what
other categories of behaviors exist [189]←
16:30:19 <liza> Tzviya: I'm not at all familiar with how these cases are
being used outside my own work
[188] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[190]Tzviya Siegman: I'm not at all familiar with how these
cases are being used outside my own work [191]←
16:30:29 <JeanK> q+
[190] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[192]Jean Kaplansky: q+ [193]←
16:30:50 <liza> Markus: We know that multiple vendors support this, but
we don't know how widely used the feature is by publishers
[192] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[194]Markus Gylling: We know that multiple vendors support
this, but we don't know how widely used the feature is by
publishers [195]←
16:31:42 <liza> ???: There is only vendor that currently supports this w
ith fixed layout (in children's books mostly)
[194] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
???: There is only vendor that currently supports this with
fixed layout (in children's books mostly) [196]←
16:32:06 <astearns> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/mu
ltipage/the-video-element.html#audio has a loop attribute
[197]Alan Stearns:
[198]http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipag
e/the-video-element.html#audio has a loop attribute [199]←
16:32:31 <liza> Markus: How do we get a group who can help you progress
in collecting new categories
[197] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[198]
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-video-element.html#audio
[200]Markus Gylling: How do we get a group who can help you
progress in collecting new categories [201]←
16:32:52 <liza> Tzviya: I encourage people to post UCs to the wiki/list
as I'll be absent for a few weeks
[200] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[202]Tzviya Siegman: I encourage people to post UCs to the
wiki/list as I'll be absent for a few weeks [203]←
16:32:56 <JeanK> Liza - the ??? was Jean K. Sorry...
[202] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[204]Jean Kaplansky: Liza - the ??? was Jean K. Sorry... [205]←
16:33:11 <liza> Thanks Jean, thought it was probably you
[204] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
Thanks Jean, thought it was probably you [206]←
16:33:23 <liza> Ivan: Nagging on the mailing list ++
[207]Ivan Herman: Nagging on the mailing list ++ [208]←
16:33:26 <ivan> q+
[207] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[209]Ivan Herman: q+ [210]←
16:33:40 <liza> Markus: I'm thinking about dictionaries and glossaries a
s well
[209] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[211]Markus Gylling: I'm thinking about dictionaries and
glossaries as well [212]←
16:34:10 <liza> Tzviya: Other examples that aren't yet documented: being
able to purchase a dictionary and incorporate it into a book
[211] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[213]Tzviya Siegman: Other examples that aren't yet documented:
being able to purchase a dictionary and incorporate it into a
book [214]←
16:34:16 <mgylling> astearns: loop yes, but not over multiple documents,
and also the dedicated identification of "background track" means that
the reading system can provide dedicated UI (in the menu, not in content
view) to turn the darn thing off
[213] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[215]Alan Stearns: loop yes, but not over multiple documents,
and also the dedicated identification of "background track"
means that the reading system can provide dedicated UI (in the
menu, not in content view) to turn the darn thing off [ Scribe
Assist by [216]Markus Gylling ] [217]←
16:34:23 <liza> Tzviya: Section in EPUB spec about incorporating indexes
[215] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[216] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[218]Tzviya Siegman: Section in EPUB spec about incorporating
indexes [219]←
16:34:33 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Behavioral_UC#Behaviora
l_1
[218] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[220]Tzviya Siegman:
[221]http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Behavioral_UC#Behavioral_1
[222]←
16:35:13 <mgylling> q?
[220] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[221] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Behavioral_UC#Behavioral_1
[223]Markus Gylling: q? [224]←
16:35:28 <mgylling> ack JeanK
[223] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[225]Markus Gylling: ack JeanK [226]←
16:35:45 <mgylling> ack ivan
[225] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[227]Markus Gylling: ack ivan [228]←
16:36:11 <liza> Ivan: Do want to talk about how these examples would be
expressed as attributes?
[227] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[229]Ivan Herman: Do want to talk about how these examples
would be expressed as attributes? [230]←
16:36:19 <liza> Tzviya: Indeed, next item on the agenda
[229] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[231]Tzviya Siegman: Indeed, next item on the agenda [232]←
16:37:30 <liza> Tzviya: New name: 'Behavior Refinements'?
[231] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[233]Tzviya Siegman: New name: 'Behavior Refinements'? [234]←
16:37:39 <liza> Ivan: What about 'Behavioral Extensions'?
[233] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[235]Ivan Herman: What about 'Behavioral Extensions'? [236]←
16:37:49 <liza> Tzviya: Too overloaded?
[235] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[237]Tzviya Siegman: Too overloaded? [238]←
16:38:06 <liza> brady_duga: They're equally confusing to me
[237] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[239]Brady Duga: They're equally confusing to me [240]←
16:38:37 <liza> brady_duga: 3 parties involved: author/publisher, readin
g system, and user: behavior all may be different
[239] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[241]Brady Duga: 3 parties involved: author/publisher, reading
system, and user: behavior all may be different [242]←
16:38:58 <Bill_Kasdorf> How about "additional behaviors"?
[241] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[243]Bill Kasdorf: How about "additional behaviors"? [244]←
16:39:09 <liza> brady_duga: What is the interaction among all these part
ies that might want to change e.g. scroll direction of the publication.
This is the group that's dealing with the intersection of all those part
ies
[243] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[245]Brady Duga: What is the interaction among all these
parties that might want to change e.g. scroll direction of the
publication. This is the group that's dealing with the
intersection of all those parties [246]←
16:39:13 <JeanK> not really additional... More like conflicting behavior
s.
[245] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[247]Jean Kaplansky: not really additional... More like
conflicting behaviors. [248]←
16:39:16 <liza> Markus: Yes, but this isn't about _styling_ behaviors
[247] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[249]Markus Gylling: Yes, but this isn't about _styling_
behaviors [250]←
16:39:51 <liza> brady_duga: Problem for reading systems where we want to
be able to provide the user with alternate fonts: body font (which may
be meaningful or not), RS font default, user font preference
[249] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[251]Brady Duga: Problem for reading systems where we want to
be able to provide the user with alternate fonts: body font
(which may be meaningful or not), RS font default, user font
preference [252]←
16:40:16 <liza> brady_duga: It's very difficult to provide styling overr
ides in a sensible way with current technologies
[251] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[253]Brady Duga: It's very difficult to provide styling
overrides in a sensible way with current technologies [254]←
16:40:20 <JeanK> OH!!! "UI specific behavioral layers"
[253] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[255]Jean Kaplansky: OH!!! "UI specific behavioral layers"
[256]←
16:40:36 <liza> brady_duga: Does this belong in this taskforce, or a sty
ling one?
[255] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[257]Brady Duga: Does this belong in this taskforce, or a
styling one? [258]←
16:40:47 <azaroth> q+
[257] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[259]Robert Sanderson: q+ [260]←
16:40:49 <liza> Tzviya: More styling, doesn't affect the behavior of the
publication
[259] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[261]Tzviya Siegman: More styling, doesn't affect the behavior
of the publication [262]←
16:41:09 <liza> brady_duga: Argument for behavioral taskforce: it's a ne
gotiation between the user and content about how the content will be dis
played
[261] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[263]Brady Duga: Argument for behavioral taskforce: it's a
negotiation between the user and content about how the content
will be displayed [264]←
16:41:27 <JeanK> q+
[263] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[265]Jean Kaplansky: q+ [266]←
16:41:35 <liza> brady_duga: Styling & Layout is about what's missing fro
m styling support
[265] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[267]Brady Duga: Styling & Layout is about what's missing from
styling support [268]←
16:41:46 <liza> brady_duga: This UC feels more about behavioral negotiat
ion
[267] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[269]Brady Duga: This UC feels more about behavioral
negotiation [270]←
16:42:05 <liza> Tzviya: This borders on the Pearson EDUPUB distinctions
about classes
[269] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[271]Tzviya Siegman: This borders on the Pearson EDUPUB
distinctions about classes [272]←
16:42:46 <liza> Tzviya: EDUPUB profile for EPUB has 3 layers of classes;
we've talked about applying @epub-type to some of these layers
[271] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[273]Tzviya Siegman: EDUPUB profile for EPUB has 3 layers of
classes; we've talked about applying @epub-type to some of
these layers [274]←
16:43:19 <liza> Tzviya: 'Literal' classes are author intent. If a 'lette
r' in a publication has the address right-aligned, this cannot be overri
den
[273] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[275]Tzviya Siegman: 'Literal' classes are author intent. If a
'letter' in a publication has the address right-aligned, this
cannot be overriden [276]←
16:43:32 <mgylling> ack azaroth
[275] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[277]Markus Gylling: ack azaroth [278]←
16:43:32 <liza> Markus: So where do we want to put negotiation-related i
ssues
[277] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[279]Markus Gylling: So where do we want to put
negotiation-related issues [280]←
16:43:54 <liza> azaroth: I don't see how the background sound isn't just
also styling?
[279] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[281]Robert Sanderson: I don't see how the background sound
isn't just also styling? [282]←
16:44:09 <liza> azaroth: The user doesn't interact with the audio
[281] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[283]Robert Sanderson: The user doesn't interact with the audio
[284]←
16:44:12 <liza> (except to turn it off)
[283] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
(except to turn it off) [285]←
16:44:19 <liza> (because omg)
(because omg) [286]←
16:44:27 <azaroth> (+1!)
[287]Robert Sanderson: (+1!) [288]←
16:44:44 <liza> Markus: The reading system would have a behavior to allo
w the user to interact with this background audio
[287] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[289]Markus Gylling: The reading system would have a behavior
to allow the user to interact with this background audio [290]←
16:45:00 <liza> Markus: "Do you want to turn this crap off? [Yes / Hell
Yes]"
[289] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[291]Markus Gylling: "Do you want to turn this crap off? [Yes /
Hell Yes]" [292]←
16:45:30 <liza> Markus: I agree that the distinction is murky
[291] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[293]Markus Gylling: I agree that the distinction is murky
[294]←
16:45:46 <liza> Tzviya: What is the definition of "behavior" vs. "style"
?
[293] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[295]Tzviya Siegman: What is the definition of "behavior" vs.
"style"? [296]←
16:46:30 <liza> brady_duga: My view: "style" is about allowing an author
to make the content look good. Doesn't involve the user. Behavioral ada
ptive content is what happens when the _user_ wants to change the stylin
g
[295] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[297]Brady Duga: My view: "style" is about allowing an author
to make the content look good. Doesn't involve the user.
Behavioral adaptive content is what happens when the _user_
wants to change the styling [298]←
16:47:31 <liza> Markus: Looking at existing UCs, indexes etc. are semant
ic enrichments from the POV of the publisher; different from your defini
tion?
[297] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[299]Markus Gylling: Looking at existing UCs, indexes etc. are
semantic enrichments from the POV of the publisher; different
from your definition? [300]←
16:48:04 <liza> brady_duga: There might be some user interactions betwee
n glossaries/dictionaries that would be covered here
[299] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[301]Brady Duga: There might be some user interactions between
glossaries/dictionaries that would be covered here [302]←
16:48:19 <azaroth> q+ to suggest Perhaps instead of having use cases tha
t we can't fulfill currently, start at zero with assigning *existing* fu
nctionality into the topic or not, so we get a better idea of it without
being distracted by the complex UCs
[301] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[303]Robert Sanderson: q+ to suggest Perhaps instead of having
use cases that we can't fulfill currently, start at zero with
assigning *existing* functionality into the topic or not, so we
get a better idea of it without being distracted by the complex
UCs [304]←
16:48:26 <liza> Tzviya: e.g. tapping on an index term and displaying tha
t term would go here?
[303] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[305]Tzviya Siegman: e.g. tapping on an index term and
displaying that term would go here? [306]←
16:48:35 <liza> brady_duga: Yes, because the user is interacting with th
e content
[305] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[307]Brady Duga: Yes, because the user is interacting with the
content [308]←
16:48:45 <liza> Markus: Works with the notes UC very well
[307] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[309]Markus Gylling: Works with the notes UC very well [310]←
16:49:29 <liza> Markus: To date, reading systems do only system-wide dic
tionaries if any
[309] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[311]Markus Gylling: To date, reading systems do only
system-wide dictionaries if any [312]←
16:49:50 <liza> Markus: With additional markup the user can decide which
dictionaries to add
[311] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[313]Markus Gylling: With additional markup the user can decide
which dictionaries to add [314]←
16:49:50 <mgylling> q?
[313] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[315]Markus Gylling: q? [316]←
16:49:56 <ivan> ack JeanK
[315] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[317]Ivan Herman: ack JeanK [318]←
16:49:57 <mgylling> ack JeanK
[317] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[319]Markus Gylling: ack JeanK [320]←
16:50:23 <liza> JeanK: Behavioral or UI "layers": some things we can inc
lude in the markup or CSS as a trigger to hang behavior on
[319] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[321]Jean Kaplansky: Behavioral or UI "layers": some things we
can include in the markup or CSS as a trigger to hang behavior
on [322]←
16:50:44 <liza> JeanK: I don't see turning on or off content or modifyin
g display as 'styling'
[321] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[323]Jean Kaplansky: I don't see turning on or off content or
modifying display as 'styling' [324]←
16:51:05 <liza> JeanK: These are features that can be continually overri
dden all the way back to the content level
[323] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[325]Jean Kaplansky: These are features that can be continually
overridden all the way back to the content level [326]←
16:51:28 <liza> JeanK: Analogous to the CSS cascade; overrides change th
e state of the publication
[325] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[327]Jean Kaplansky: Analogous to the CSS cascade; overrides
change the state of the publication [328]←
16:51:34 <mgylling> ack azaroth
[327] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[329]Markus Gylling: ack azaroth [330]←
16:51:34 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to suggest Perhaps instead of havin
g use cases that we can't fulfill currently, start at zero with assignin
g *existing* functionality into the topic or not, so
[329] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, you wanted to suggest Perhaps instead
of having use cases that we can't fulfill currently, start at
zero with assigning *existing* functionality into the topic or
not, so [331]←
16:51:37 <liza> Tzviya: Like progressive enhancement?
[332]Tzviya Siegman: Like progressive enhancement? [333]←
16:51:38 <Zakim> ... we get a better idea of it without being distracted
by the complex UCs
[332] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
Zakim IRC Bot: ... we get a better idea of it without being
distracted by the complex UCs [334]←
16:51:56 <liza> brady_duga: Do you mean this should exclude things that
should involve styling, or is bigger than styling?
[335]Brady Duga: Do you mean this should exclude things that
should involve styling, or is bigger than styling? [336]←
16:52:22 <liza> JeanK: user-modified font sizes, etc. become a UI featur
e; the publisher doesn't have control over that behavior
[335] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[337]Jean Kaplansky: user-modified font sizes, etc. become a UI
feature; the publisher doesn't have control over that behavior
[338]←
16:52:56 <liza> azaroth: Be nice to pick existing functionality (rather
than new complicated use cases) to get a better idea of what's in or out
[337] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[339]Robert Sanderson: Be nice to pick existing functionality
(rather than new complicated use cases) to get a better idea of
what's in or out [340]←
16:53:19 <liza> azaroth: Without worrying about difficult things like sc
roll direction or audio/video, which have other considerations like UI e
lements to control those
[339] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[341]Robert Sanderson: Without worrying about difficult things
like scroll direction or audio/video, which have other
considerations like UI elements to control those [342]←
16:54:04 <liza> JeanK: +1, also add: accessibility features that are als
o a part of UIs, like which voice to use
[341] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[343]Jean Kaplansky: +1, also add: accessibility features that
are also a part of UIs, like which voice to use [344]←
16:54:28 <Zakim> -Xiaoqian
[343] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: -Xiaoqian [345]←
16:54:35 <liza> Markus: If we go with Brady's definition of the task for
ce about user negotiation, then accessibility plays a role
[346]Markus Gylling: If we go with Brady's definition of the
task force about user negotiation, then accessibility plays a
role [347]←
16:54:49 <liza> Markus: Accessibility group is actually 'Accessibility &
Personalization', so there's overlap
[346] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[348]Markus Gylling: Accessibility group is actually
'Accessibility & Personalization', so there's overlap [349]←
16:55:57 <liza> Tzviya: 'User input' is critical to this behavior catego
ry, even though that's not where we started
[348] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[350]Tzviya Siegman: 'User input' is critical to this behavior
category, even though that's not where we started [351]←
16:56:12 <liza> Markus: Yes, we tried to start with extensions in the wi
ld today, regardless of whether they were user-modifiable
[350] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[352]Markus Gylling: Yes, we tried to start with extensions in
the wild today, regardless of whether they were user-modifiable
[353]←
16:56:23 <Zakim> -ivan
[352] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -ivan [354]←
16:56:28 <liza> Ivan: Indexes do not seem to fall into this
[355]Ivan Herman: Indexes do not seem to fall into this [356]←
16:56:34 <liza> Markus: Agreed
[355] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[357]Markus Gylling: Agreed [358]←
16:56:49 <liza> Tzviya: We need to gather examples of user input, but we
don't need to be limited to that
[357] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[359]Tzviya Siegman: We need to gather examples of user input,
but we don't need to be limited to that [360]←
16:57:05 <ivan> zakim, code?
[359] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[361]Ivan Herman: zakim, code? [362]←
16:57:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:za
kim@voip.w3.org), ivan
[361] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200
sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan [363]←
16:57:09 <liza> brady_duga: It's cases where the user input & the origin
al authorship might be in conflict and need to be negotiated
[364]Brady Duga: It's cases where the user input & the original
authorship might be in conflict and need to be negotiated
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16:57:26 <Zakim> +ivan
[364] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
Zakim IRC Bot: +ivan [366]←
16:57:46 <liza> Tzviya: I'm comfortable with that as long as everyone el
se is
[367]Tzviya Siegman: I'm comfortable with that as long as
everyone else is [368]←
16:58:25 <liza> Markus: We've recognized that the difference between sty
ling and behavior is fuzzy, it's OK if it's not a clear distinction
[367] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[369]Markus Gylling: We've recognized that the difference
between styling and behavior is fuzzy, it's OK if it's not a
clear distinction [370]←
16:58:39 <liza> Ivan: We should postpone @epub-type discussion for more
time later
[369] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[371]Ivan Herman: We should postpone @epub-type discussion for
more time later [372]←
16:58:53 <liza> Markus: We could do that on the list this week
[371] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[373]Markus Gylling: We could do that on the list this week
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16:59:03 <liza> Tzviya: NAME???
[373] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[375]Tzviya Siegman: NAME??? [376]←
16:59:14 <liza> Markus: 'Behavioral Extensions'
[375] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[377]Markus Gylling: 'Behavioral Extensions' [378]←
16:59:44 <liza> Tzviya: brady_duga is on the hook to add more use cases
[377] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[379]Tzviya Siegman: brady_duga is on the hook to add more use
cases [380]←
16:59:56 <liza> JeanK: "Behavioral UI Extensions?"
[379] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[381]Jean Kaplansky: "Behavioral UI Extensions?" [382]←
17:00:17 <liza> Ivan: Cool URLs don't change
[381] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[383]Ivan Herman: Cool URLs don't change [384]←
17:00:40 <liza> Markus: Next Monday's agenda?
[383] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[385]Markus Gylling: Next Monday's agenda? [386]←
17:01:25 <liza> Markus: Bill_Kasdorf ready for next week?
[385] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[387]Markus Gylling: Bill_Kasdorf ready for next week? [388]←
17:01:59 <liza> Bill_Kasdorf: Postpone because Ivan not available
[387] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[389]Bill Kasdorf: Postpone because Ivan not available [390]←
17:02:15 <liza> Markus: Liza and I will decide by fiat
[389] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[391]Markus Gylling: Liza and I will decide by fiat [392]←
17:02:15 <Zakim> -Stearns
[391] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -Stearns [393]←
17:02:25 <Zakim> -madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -madi [394]←
17:02:26 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth [395]←
17:02:28 <Zakim> -liza
Zakim IRC Bot: -liza [396]←
17:02:29 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga [397]←
17:02:30 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] [398]←
17:02:30 <Zakim> -ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ivan [399]←
17:02:30 <Zakim> -JeanKaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeanKaplansky [400]←
17:02:30 <Zakim> -tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: -tzviya [401]←
17:02:32 <Zakim> -Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bill_Kasdorf [402]←
17:02:35 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling [403]←
17:02:37 <Zakim> -Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert [404]←
17:02:40 <Zakim> -tmichel
Zakim IRC Bot: -tmichel [405]←
17:02:41 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended [406]←
17:02:41 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.201.387.aaaa, tzviya, +1.617.301.aabb
, liza, Xiaoqian, [IPcaller], +1.734.904.aacc, +1.505.603.aadd, ivan, St
earns, mgylling, azaroth, tmichel, Bill_Kasdorf,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.201.387.aaaa, tzviya,
+1.617.301.aabb, liza, Xiaoqian, [IPcaller], +1.734.904.aacc,
+1.505.603.aadd, ivan, Stearns, mgylling, azaroth, tmichel,
Bill_Kasdorf, [407]←
17:02:41 <Zakim> ... Bert, JeanKaplansky, madi, duga
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Bert, JeanKaplansky, madi, duga [408]←
Meeting ajourned at 18h00 CET.
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