- From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 09:07:53 +0100
- To: "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
dated 2014-01-13 are now available at
http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-13
These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
Best,
Thierry Michel
Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
Minutes of 13 January 2014
Seen
[1]Alan Stearns, [2]Ben Ko, [3]Bert Bos, [4]Bill
Kasdorf, [5]Brady Duga, [6]Dave Cramer, [7]Dmitry
Shkolnik, [8]Frederick Hirsch, [9]Gerardo Capiel,
[10]Ivan Herman, [11]Jean Kaplansky, [12]Laura Fowler,
[13]Liam Quin, [14]Liza Daly, [15]Luc Audrain, [16]Madi
Solomon, [17]Markus Gylling, [18]Robert Sanderson,
[19]Sharad Garg, [20]Thierry Michel, [21]Tom De Nies,
[22]Tzviya Siegman, Unknown AWK, [23]Vladimir
Levantovsky
[1] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[2] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
[3] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bert_Bos
[4] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[5] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[6] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[7] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik
[8] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
[9] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
[10] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[11] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
[12] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler
[13] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
[14] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[15] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[16] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Madi_Solomon
[17] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[18] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[19] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Sharad_Garg
[20] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
[21] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
[22] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[23] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky
Regrets
[24]Brady Duga, [25]Vladimir Levantovsky, [26]Laura
Fowler, [27]Jean Kaplansky
[24] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Brady_Duga
[25] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Vladimir_Levantovsky
[26] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Laura_Fowler
[27] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Jean_Kaplansky
Scribe
[28]Robert Sanderson
[28] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
IRC Log
[29]Original
[29] http://www.w3.org/2014/01/13-dpub-irc
Resolutions
None.
Topics
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15:41:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub [33]←
15:41:09 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to s
tart in 19 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM
scheduled to start in 19 minutes [34]←
15:41:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconfe
rence
15:41:10 <trackbot> Date: 13 January 2014
15:51:42 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started
(No events recorded for 10 minutes)
Zakim IRC Bot: DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has now started [35]←
15:51:49 <Zakim> +Liza
Zakim IRC Bot: +Liza [36]←
15:53:59 <Zakim> +dauwhe
Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe [37]←
15:54:24 <azaroth> I can scribe today?
[38]Robert Sanderson: I can scribe today? [39]←
15:55:05 <Zakim> +azaroth
[38] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth [40]←
15:57:36 <Zakim> +Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya [41]←
15:57:58 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
[42]Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip [43]←
15:57:58 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
[42] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made [44]←
15:58:00 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan [45]←
15:58:31 <ivan> Regrets: Vlad, Laura, Brady
15:59:21 <Zakim> +Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: +Stearns [46]←
15:59:42 <Zakim> +??P37
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P37 [47]←
15:59:51 <mgylling> zakim, ??P37 is me
[48]Markus Gylling: zakim, ??P37 is me [49]←
15:59:51 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
[48] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it [50]←
15:59:59 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf [51]←
16:00:23 <lizadaly> I hear plenty of beeping
[52]Liza Daly: I hear plenty of beeping [53]←
16:01:13 <Zakim> +Bert
[52] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert [54]←
16:01:19 <Zakim> +laudrain
Zakim IRC Bot: +laudrain [55]←
16:01:34 <Zakim> +benjaminsko
Zakim IRC Bot: +benjaminsko [56]←
16:01:39 <dauwhe> Is the conference line actually working? I've heard no
human voices.
[57]Dave Cramer: Is the conference line actually working? I've
heard no human voices. [58]←
16:01:43 <Zakim> +??P48
[57] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P48 [59]←
16:01:56 <lizadaly> I just say 'hello' but heard nothing back
[60]Liza Daly: I just say 'hello' but heard nothing back [61]←
16:02:02 <lizadaly> so I guess that's a 'no'
[60] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[62]Liza Daly: so I guess that's a 'no' [63]←
16:02:02 <Zakim> +AWK
[62] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
Zakim IRC Bot: +AWK [64]←
16:02:03 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??P48 is me
[65]Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, ??P48 is me [66]←
16:02:03 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
[65] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it [67]←
16:02:05 <dauwhe> I've heard nothing.
[68]Dave Cramer: I've heard nothing. [69]←
16:02:14 <azaroth> Other than beeps
[68] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[70]Robert Sanderson: Other than beeps [71]←
16:02:15 <ivan> heh neither do I
[70] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[72]Ivan Herman: heh neither do I [73]←
16:02:24 <mgylling> /me its a tibetan-style concall this week
[72] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[74]Markus Gylling: /me its a tibetan-style concall this week
[75]←
16:02:26 <Luc> neither do i
[74] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[76]Luc Audrain: neither do i [77]←
16:02:27 <Zakim> -AWK
[76] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
Zakim IRC Bot: -AWK [78]←
16:02:28 <lizadaly> I assume Markus is just bored
[79]Liza Daly: I assume Markus is just bored [80]←
16:02:57 <Zakim> +AWK
[79] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
Zakim IRC Bot: +AWK [81]←
16:03:09 <dauwhe> Zakim, wtf?
[82]Dave Cramer: Zakim, wtf? [83]←
16:03:09 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dauwhe.
[82] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, dauwhe. [84]←
16:03:15 <ivan> :-)
[85]Ivan Herman: :-) [86]←
16:03:22 <mgylling> Zakim, get your friggin act together
[85] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[87]Markus Gylling: Zakim, get your friggin act together [88]←
16:03:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'get your friggin act together', mgy
lling
[87] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'get your friggin act
together', mgylling [89]←
16:03:24 <lizadaly> Zakim has a case of the Mondays
[90]Liza Daly: Zakim has a case of the Mondays [91]←
16:03:25 <azaroth> zakim, who is making noise?
[90] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[92]Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is making noise? [93]←
16:03:27 <Zakim> +Sharad_Garg
[92] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad_Garg [94]←
16:03:28 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Ugent] [95]←
16:03:36 <Zakim> azaroth, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify
any sounds
Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, listening for 10 seconds I could not
identify any sounds [96]←
16:03:36 <TomDN> Zakim, [Ugent] is me
[97]Tom De Nies: Zakim, [Ugent] is me [98]←
16:03:37 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
[97] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it [99]←
16:03:42 <TomDN> zakim, mute me
[100]Tom De Nies: zakim, mute me [101]←
16:03:42 <Zakim> TomDN was already muted, TomDN
[100] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN was already muted, TomDN [102]←
16:03:42 <azaroth> zakim, correct :(
[103]Robert Sanderson: zakim, correct :( [104]←
16:03:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'correct :(', azaroth
[103] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'correct :(', azaroth [105]←
16:03:53 <mgylling> ivan, should we restart or sth?
[106]Markus Gylling: ivan, should we restart or sth? [107]←
16:03:56 <azaroth> zakim, unmute me
[106] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[108]Robert Sanderson: zakim, unmute me [109]←
16:03:57 <Zakim> azaroth should no longer be muted
[108] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth should no longer be muted [110]←
16:04:05 <lizadaly> Hear that!
[111]Liza Daly: Hear that! [112]←
16:04:10 <mgylling> zakim, unmute me
[111] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[113]Markus Gylling: zakim, unmute me [114]←
16:04:10 <Zakim> mgylling should no longer be muted
[113] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling should no longer be muted [115]←
16:04:13 <lizadaly> zakim, unmute me
[116]Liza Daly: zakim, unmute me [117]←
16:04:13 <Zakim> sorry, lizadaly, I do not know which phone connection b
elongs to you
[116] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, lizadaly, I do not know which phone
connection belongs to you [118]←
16:04:18 <Bill_Kasdorf> I can hear now
[119]Bill Kasdorf: I can hear now [120]←
16:04:31 <TomDN> Zakim, who is on the phone?
[119] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[121]Tom De Nies: Zakim, who is on the phone? [122]←
16:04:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Liza (muted), dauwhe (muted), azarot
h, Tzviya (muted), Ivan (muted), Stearns (muted), mgylling, Bill_Kasdorf
(muted), Bert (muted), laudrain (muted), benjaminsko
[121] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Liza (muted), dauwhe (muted),
azaroth, Tzviya (muted), Ivan (muted), Stearns (muted),
mgylling, Bill_Kasdorf (muted), Bert (muted), laudrain (muted),
benjaminsko [123]←
16:04:35 <Zakim> ... (muted), gcapiel (muted), AWK (muted), Sharad_Garg
(muted), TomDN (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), gcapiel (muted), AWK (muted),
Sharad_Garg (muted), TomDN (muted) [124]←
16:04:39 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
[125]Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me [126]←
16:04:39 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
[125] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted [127]←
16:04:41 <dauwhe> Zakim, unmute me
[128]Dave Cramer: Zakim, unmute me [129]←
16:04:42 <Zakim> dauwhe should no longer be muted
[128] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
Zakim IRC Bot: dauwhe should no longer be muted [130]←
16:04:42 <mgylling> zakim, umnmute all
[131]Markus Gylling: zakim, umnmute all [132]←
16:04:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umnmute all', mgylling
[131] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'umnmute all', mgylling
[133]←
16:04:46 <astearns> zakim, unmute me
[134]Alan Stearns: zakim, unmute me [135]←
16:04:46 <Zakim> sorry, astearns, I do not know which phone connection b
elongs to you
[134] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, astearns, I do not know which phone
connection belongs to you [136]←
16:04:48 <lizadaly> How do I tell it which line I'm on?
[137]Liza Daly: How do I tell it which line I'm on? [138]←
16:04:50 <Luc> zakim, unmute me
[137] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[139]Luc Audrain: zakim, unmute me [140]←
16:04:50 <Zakim> sorry, Luc, I do not know which phone connection belong
s to you
[139] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Luc, I do not know which phone connection
belongs to you [141]←
16:04:57 <azaroth> zakim, unmute sharad_garg
[142]Robert Sanderson: zakim, unmute sharad_garg [143]←
16:04:57 <Zakim> Sharad_Garg should no longer be muted
[142] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Zakim IRC Bot: Sharad_Garg should no longer be muted [144]←
16:04:58 <astearns> zakim, unmute stearns
[145]Alan Stearns: zakim, unmute stearns [146]←
16:04:58 <Zakim> Stearns should no longer be muted
[145] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
Zakim IRC Bot: Stearns should no longer be muted [147]←
16:05:06 <gcapiel> Zakim, unmute MemoServ
[148]Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, unmute MemoServ [149]←
16:05:08 <Zakim> sorry, gcapiel, I do not know which phone connection be
longs to MemoServ
[148] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, gcapiel, I do not know which phone
connection belongs to MemoServ [150]←
16:05:08 <dshkolnik> Zakim, unmute
[151]Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, unmute [152]←
16:05:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', dshkolnik
[151] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', dshkolnik [153]←
16:05:15 <ivan> zakim, unmute lizadaly
[154]Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute lizadaly [155]←
16:05:15 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not know which phone connection belon
gs to lizadaly
[154] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not know which phone
connection belongs to lizadaly [156]←
16:05:16 <azaroth> zakim, unmute tzviya
[157]Robert Sanderson: zakim, unmute tzviya [158]←
16:05:16 <Zakim> Tzviya should no longer be muted
[157] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Zakim IRC Bot: Tzviya should no longer be muted [159]←
16:05:19 <dshkolnik> Zakim, unmute me
[160]Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, unmute me [161]←
16:05:19 <Zakim> sorry, dshkolnik, I do not know which phone connection
belongs to you
[160] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dmitry_Shkolnik
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dshkolnik, I do not know which phone
connection belongs to you [162]←
16:05:21 <Bill_Kasdorf> I mute and unmute locally. Since I can hear, do
I need to unmute on Zakim?
[163]Bill Kasdorf: I mute and unmute locally. Since I can hear,
do I need to unmute on Zakim? [164]←
16:05:23 <gcapiel> Zakim, unmute me
[163] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[165]Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, unmute me [166]←
16:05:23 <Zakim> gcapiel should no longer be muted
[165] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Gerardo_Capiel
Zakim IRC Bot: gcapiel should no longer be muted [167]←
16:05:29 <azaroth> zakim, who is on the phone
[168]Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is on the phone [169]←
16:05:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', azaroth
[168] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone',
azaroth [170]←
16:05:40 <azaroth> zakim, who is on the phone?
[171]Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is on the phone? [172]←
16:05:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Liza (muted), dauwhe, azaroth, Tzviy
a, Ivan, Stearns, mgylling, Bill_Kasdorf (muted), Bert, laudrain, benjam
insko (muted), gcapiel, AWK (muted), Sharad_Garg,
[171] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Liza (muted), dauwhe,
azaroth, Tzviya, Ivan, Stearns, mgylling, Bill_Kasdorf (muted),
Bert, laudrain, benjaminsko (muted), gcapiel, AWK (muted),
Sharad_Garg, [173]←
16:05:43 <Zakim> ... TomDN (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... TomDN (muted) [174]←
16:05:47 <Zakim> +tm
Zakim IRC Bot: +tm [175]←
16:05:55 <azaroth> scribe: azaroth
(Scribe set to [176]Robert Sanderson)
16:05:56 <Liza> zakim, unmute me
[176] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Robert_Sanderson
[177]Liza Daly: zakim, unmute me [178]←
16:05:56 <Zakim> Liza should no longer be muted
[177] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
Zakim IRC Bot: Liza should no longer be muted [179]←
16:06:02 <Liza> BOOM
[180]Liza Daly: BOOM [181]←
16:06:05 <tmichel> zakim, tm is tmichel
[180] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[182]Thierry Michel: zakim, tm is tmichel [183]←
16:06:05 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
[182] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Thierry_Michel
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it [184]←
16:06:10 <Bill_Kasdorf> How?
[185]Bill Kasdorf: How? [186]←
16:06:11 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
[185] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] [187]←
16:06:15 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me
[188]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPcaller is me [189]←
16:06:15 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
[188] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it [190]←
16:06:21 <azaroth> zakim, who is making noise?
zakim, who is making noise? [191]←
16:06:26 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
[192]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? [193]←
16:06:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Liza, dauwhe, azaroth, Tzviya, Ivan,
Stearns, mgylling, Bill_Kasdorf (muted), Bert, laudrain, benjaminsko (m
uted), gcapiel, AWK, Sharad_Garg, TomDN (muted),
[192] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Liza, dauwhe, azaroth,
Tzviya, Ivan, Stearns, mgylling, Bill_Kasdorf (muted), Bert,
laudrain, benjaminsko (muted), gcapiel, AWK, Sharad_Garg, TomDN
(muted), [194]←
16:06:30 <Zakim> ... tmichel (muted), fjh (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... tmichel (muted), fjh (muted) [195]←
16:06:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see TomDN, Sharad, benjaminsko, dshkolnik, Ber
t, gcapiel, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, mgylling, Luc, tzviya, Liza, azaroth, Zak
im, RRSAgent, tmichel, ivan, dauwhe, plinss,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see TomDN, Sharad, benjaminsko,
dshkolnik, Bert, gcapiel, fjh, Bill_Kasdorf, mgylling, Luc,
tzviya, Liza, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, tmichel, ivan, dauwhe,
plinss, [196]←
16:06:30 <Zakim> ... astearns, liam, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... astearns, liam, trackbot [197]←
16:06:31 <Zakim> azaroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from th
e following: dauwhe (4%), Ivan (25%), laudrain (42%)
Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound
from the following: dauwhe (4%), Ivan (25%), laudrain (42%)
[198]←
16:07:01 <fjh> zakim, unmute me
[199]Frederick Hirsch: zakim, unmute me [200]←
16:07:01 <Zakim> fjh should no longer be muted
[199] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
Zakim IRC Bot: fjh should no longer be muted [201]←
16:07:05 <Zakim> +Liam
Zakim IRC Bot: +Liam [202]←
16:07:29 <Bill_Kasdorf> 60#
[203]Bill Kasdorf: 60# [204]←
16:07:43 <azaroth> Markus: As we decided last week, another week on Lat
inReq focus. We ended the last call thinking we scratched the surface,
so will continue another week
[203] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[205]Markus Gylling: As we decided last week, another week on
LatinReq focus. We ended the last call thinking we scratched
the surface, so will continue another week [206]←
16:07:59 <azaroth> ... before we do that we need to approve previous mee
tings minutes
[205] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
... before we do that we need to approve previous meetings
minutes [207]←
16:08:06 <azaroth> ... Approved
... Approved [208]←
16:08:44 <azaroth> Ivan: An admin thing before we start, I just want to
warn you that we had a security breach at W3C.
[209]Ivan Herman: An admin thing before we start, I just want
to warn you that we had a security breach at W3C. [210]←
16:08:53 <azaroth> ... at some point you may be asked to change your pas
sword.
[209] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
... at some point you may be asked to change your password.
[211]←
16:09:15 <azaroth> ... When you try to log in to a member restricted are
a, you'll be asked to change. We're testing the system now with the tea
m.
... When you try to log in to a member restricted area, you'll
be asked to change. We're testing the system now with the team.
[212]←
16:09:29 <azaroth> ???: When we see that, we should just go ahead and ch
ange it?
[213]Frederick Hirsch: When we see that, we should just go
ahead and change it? [214]←
16:09:40 <fjh> s/???/fjh/
16:09:43 <azaroth> Ivan: Yes, you can postpone for two weeks, but will n
eed to do it at some point
[213] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Frederick_Hirsch
[215]Ivan Herman: Yes, you can postpone for two weeks, but will
need to do it at some point [216]←
16:10:02 <azaroth> Markus: Dave, can you give a quick recap of what we c
overed last week to get back into the mode?
[215] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[217]Markus Gylling: Dave, can you give a quick recap of what
we covered last week to get back into the mode? [218]←
16:10:41 <azaroth> dauwhe: I droned on about dropcaps for a while, some
low hanging fruit for CSS. talked about some issues people are having in
ebook systems, such as hyphenation and justification
[217] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[219]Dave Cramer: I droned on about dropcaps for a while, some
low hanging fruit for CSS. talked about some issues people are
having in ebook systems, such as hyphenation and justification
[220]←
16:11:08 <azaroth> ... We talked about image and caption sizing, quite a
bit about various efforts to bring typographic sophistication to the we
b.
[219] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... We talked about image and caption sizing, quite a bit about
various efforts to bring typographic sophistication to the web.
[221]←
16:11:46 <azaroth> ... On Sunday I updated latinreq document, alan sent
a nice intro text on grids. Added a section about justification and hyp
henation, as a concern for a lot of us.
... On Sunday I updated latinreq document, alan sent a nice
intro text on grids. Added a section about justification and
hyphenation, as a concern for a lot of us. [222]←
16:12:03 <azaroth> ... so I thought today we could talk about that this
week, and about grids and underlying issues they may solve
... so I thought today we could talk about that this week, and
about grids and underlying issues they may solve [223]←
16:12:19 <azaroth> ... Just sent the list a detailed email about table a
lignment.
... Just sent the list a detailed email about table alignment.
[224]←
16:12:28 <azaroth> ... Anything I forgot to mention?
... Anything I forgot to mention? [225]←
16:12:41 <Zakim> +madi
Zakim IRC Bot: +madi [226]←
16:13:00 <azaroth> Markus: We had email thread from last week where ben
and luke posted some issues. Felt to me like if we cover table alignmen
t and so on today, that's a good amount
[227]Markus Gylling: We had email thread from last week where
ben and luke posted some issues. Felt to me like if we cover
table alignment and so on today, that's a good amount [228]←
16:13:17 <azaroth> ... tell us about H. and Justi~n and where we should
end up?
[227] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
... tell us about H. and Justi~n and where we should end up?
[229]←
16:13:42 <astearns> dauwhe: could you post latinreq URL? The task force
wiki page has the wrong link.
[230]Dave Cramer: could you post latinreq URL? The task force
wiki page has the wrong link. [ Scribe Assist by [231]Alan
Stearns ] [232]←
16:13:54 <azaroth> Dave: A couple of things. I wonder if we're at the p
oint where we or some other group need to be detailed about what we want
to see. What does it mean for a book reading system to do a good job wi
th the text
[230] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[231] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[233]Dave Cramer: A couple of things. I wonder if we're at the
point where we or some other group need to be detailed about
what we want to see. What does it mean for a book reading
system to do a good job with the text [234]←
16:13:56 <dauwhe> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/index.html
[233] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[235]Dave Cramer:
[236]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/index.html [237]←
16:14:00 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/
[235] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[236] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/index.html
[238]Tzviya Siegman: [239]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/
[240]←
16:14:41 <azaroth> ... so one possibility on Hypenation... a lot depends
on dictionaries. Had experience with good and bad ones. Is it possible
to say which is good or not so good with various languages?
[238] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[239] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/
... so one possibility on Hypenation... a lot depends on
dictionaries. Had experience with good and bad ones. Is it
possible to say which is good or not so good with various
languages? [241]←
16:14:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
[242]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [243]←
16:14:44 <tzviya> q+
[242] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[244]Tzviya Siegman: q+ [245]←
16:15:05 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
[244] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[246]Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf [247]←
16:15:06 <azaroth> ... could contribute best practices on how to build i
t into rendering engine
[246] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
... could contribute best practices on how to build it into
rendering engine [248]←
16:15:31 <azaroth> Bill_Kasdorf: In a lot of disciplines there are speci
alized dictionaries needed, due to terminology
[249]Bill Kasdorf: In a lot of disciplines there are
specialized dictionaries needed, due to terminology [250]←
16:15:37 <liam> +1
[249] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[251]Liam Quin: +1 [252]←
16:15:45 <azaroth> ... some way to accommodate this is important, esp fo
r medical.
[251] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
... some way to accommodate this is important, esp for medical.
[253]←
16:15:55 <azaroth> Dave: At individual title level, exception dict is im
portant
[254]Dave Cramer: At individual title level, exception dict is
important [255]←
16:16:21 <azaroth> ... per file or copy, the dictionary is a critical pi
ece to supply hyphenation exceptions
[254] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... per file or copy, the dictionary is a critical piece to
supply hyphenation exceptions [256]←
16:16:34 <azaroth> Markus: To understand, the document provider should
declare which dict to use?
[257]Markus Gylling: To understand, the document provider
should declare which dict to use? [258]←
16:16:53 <azaroth> Bill: In addition to the built in, should use Steadma
n's medical dictionary as authority for hypen~n
[257] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[259]Bill Kasdorf: In addition to the built in, should use
Steadman's medical dictionary as authority for hypen~n [260]←
16:17:10 <Luc> q+
[259] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[261]Luc Audrain: q+ [262]←
16:17:17 <azaroth> ... sometimes a publisher will have an individual lis
t of words it knows will be problematic in a title and provide list of d
ozen such terms
[261] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
... sometimes a publisher will have an individual list of words
it knows will be problematic in a title and provide list of
dozen such terms [263]←
16:17:27 <azaroth> Markus: So not in a dictionary, local to the particu
lar title
[264]Markus Gylling: So not in a dictionary, local to the
particular title [265]←
16:17:28 <azaroth> q+
[264] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
q+ [266]←
16:17:45 <azaroth> Dave: various systems have ways to enter new terms to
override
[267]Dave Cramer: various systems have ways to enter new terms
to override [268]←
16:17:56 <mgylling> ack tzviya
[267] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[269]Markus Gylling: ack tzviya [270]←
16:17:58 <azaroth> Markus: Sounds like 2 clear requirements to formulate
[269] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[271]Markus Gylling: Sounds like 2 clear requirements to
formulate [272]←
16:18:26 <azaroth> Tzviuya: Same as BIl, but as we get into more advance
d fields, need expanded on. Medicine is broad, but grad level chemistry
things get complicated
[271] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[273]Tzviya Siegman: Same as BIl, but as we get into more
advanced fields, need expanded on. Medicine is broad, but grad
level chemistry things get complicated [274]←
16:18:27 <mgylling> ack Liam
[273] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[275]Markus Gylling: ack Liam [276]←
16:18:28 <Zakim> Liam, you wanted to note it may vary within a document
[275] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: Liam, you wanted to note it may vary within a
document [277]←
16:18:55 <azaroth> Liam: Live in a multilingual web, and multidiscipline
. Might need multiple dictionaries for a single document
[278]Liam Quin: Live in a multilingual web, and
multidiscipline. Might need multiple dictionaries for a single
document [279]←
16:19:04 <azaroth> ... saw this with print publications in 80s
[278] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
... saw this with print publications in 80s [280]←
16:19:20 <azaroth> Markus: Any effort in W3C in this area so far?
[281]Markus Gylling: Any effort in W3C in this area so far?
[282]←
16:19:32 <azaroth> Liam: Nothing beyond what we did in XSL FO.
[281] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[283]Liam Quin: Nothing beyond what we did in XSL FO. [284]←
16:19:39 <azaroth> q-
[283] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
q- [285]←
16:20:05 <azaroth> Dave: Is there a standard for even describing hypen~n
like TeX style that aren't easy to understand
[286]Dave Cramer: Is there a standard for even describing
hypen~n like TeX style that aren't easy to understand [287]←
16:20:09 <azaroth> Liam: Not aware of any
[286] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[288]Liam Quin: Not aware of any [289]←
16:20:20 <azaroth> ... eg words in German that change spelling when you
hypenate them
[288] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
... eg words in German that change spelling when you hypenate
them [290]←
16:20:25 <azaroth> ... might be in OpenOffice
... might be in OpenOffice [291]←
16:20:30 <mgylling> ack Luc
[292]Markus Gylling: ack Luc [293]←
16:20:53 <azaroth> Luc: Proper way to solve this is perhaps to rely on h
ypen~n inside the text
[292] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[294]Luc Audrain: Proper way to solve this is perhaps to rely
on hypen~n inside the text [295]←
16:21:14 <azaroth> ... in a limited environment could be possible to pre
pare text with the special words / preferred hypenation
[294] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
... in a limited environment could be possible to prepare text
with the special words / preferred hypenation [296]←
16:21:15 <astearns> so far, all CSS says about hyphenation dictionaries
is that the user agent must choose a language appropriate resource
[297]Alan Stearns: so far, all CSS says about hyphenation
dictionaries is that the user agent must choose a language
appropriate resource [298]←
16:21:33 <azaroth> ... question may be to find a good composition engine
that takes into account the preferred places in the words
[297] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
... question may be to find a good composition engine that
takes into account the preferred places in the words [299]←
16:21:54 <azaroth> ... as in EPUB with fixed content document, could be
prepared in advance
... as in EPUB with fixed content document, could be prepared
in advance [300]←
16:22:08 <azaroth> ... so not to rely on external dictionaries
... so not to rely on external dictionaries [301]←
16:22:13 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
[302]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [303]←
16:22:20 <mgylling> ack Liam
[302] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[304]Markus Gylling: ack Liam [305]←
16:22:20 <Zakim> Liam, you wanted to note trend is away from inline reso
urces and towards separate resources; also, browsers today *do* do hyphe
nation, just don't support per-page or per-site
[304] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: Liam, you wanted to note trend is away from
inline resources and towards separate resources; also, browsers
today *do* do hyphenation, just don't support per-page or
per-site [306]←
16:22:23 <Zakim> ... dictionaries directly, and problem with search, goo
gle, etc
Zakim IRC Bot: ... dictionaries directly, and problem with
search, google, etc [307]←
16:22:33 <astearns> +1 to Liam's point
[308]Alan Stearns: +1 to Liam's point [309]←
16:22:46 <azaroth> Liam: Trend is away from inline and towards external,
like CSS and fonts
[308] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[310]Liam Quin: Trend is away from inline and towards external,
like CSS and fonts [311]←
16:22:59 <azaroth> ... when people look at 2 or more pages, is better
[310] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
... when people look at 2 or more pages, is better [312]←
16:23:20 <azaroth> ... but don't support hyphenation. Search in page st
ops working etc.
... but don't support hyphenation. Search in page stops working
etc. [313]←
16:23:26 <azaroth> ... More that needs to be specified
... More that needs to be specified [314]←
16:23:26 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
[315]Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf [316]←
16:23:48 <azaroth> Bill: Almost always a dict is used in tandem with an
algorithm as it doesn't provide all possible words
[315] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[317]Bill Kasdorf: Almost always a dict is used in tandem with
an algorithm as it doesn't provide all possible words [318]←
16:23:59 <azaroth> ... if present in dict it takes precedence
[317] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
... if present in dict it takes precedence [319]←
16:24:06 <Luc> +1
[320]Luc Audrain: +1 [321]←
16:24:07 <azaroth> Dave: Using dict in a very broad sense
[320] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[322]Dave Cramer: Using dict in a very broad sense [323]←
16:24:22 <astearns> dauwhe: you can encode prioritization in some system
s (two dischys for a better break, for example)
[322] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[324]Dave Cramer: you can encode prioritization in some systems
(two dischys for a better break, for example) [ Scribe Assist
by [325]Alan Stearns ] [326]←
16:24:42 <azaroth> Bill: In all languages many examples of limitations w
here you can't do it without context, eg pres/ent and pre/sent
[324] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[325] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[327]Bill Kasdorf: In all languages many examples of
limitations where you can't do it without context, eg pres/ent
and pre/sent [328]←
16:24:48 <mgylling> q?
[327] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[329]Markus Gylling: q? [330]←
16:25:08 <azaroth> Dave: Situation out there in the wild is bad, we want
to improve it, but not going to get perfection
[329] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[331]Dave Cramer: Situation out there in the wild is bad, we
want to improve it, but not going to get perfection [332]←
16:25:14 <azaroth> Bill: Yes, not attainable
[331] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[333]Bill Kasdorf: Yes, not attainable [334]←
16:25:16 <Luc> q+
[333] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[335]Luc Audrain: q+ [336]←
16:25:25 <azaroth> Dave: There's a lot we can do in this area for requir
ements
[335] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[337]Dave Cramer: There's a lot we can do in this area for
requirements [338]←
16:25:30 <mgylling> ack Luc
[337] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[339]Markus Gylling: ack Luc [340]←
16:25:33 <azaroth> ... perhaps moving on to justification
[339] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
... perhaps moving on to justification [341]←
16:26:09 <azaroth> Luc: Main question remains, if dictionaries used for
exceptions, on algorithms used in OWP to calculate line length and break
ing
[342]Luc Audrain: Main question remains, if dictionaries used
for exceptions, on algorithms used in OWP to calculate line
length and breaking [343]←
16:26:27 <azaroth> ... or declare them?
[342] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
... or declare them? [344]←
16:26:47 <azaroth> Luc: Don't know which should be used but would like t
o know which are available? Does each browser have their own?
[345]Luc Audrain: Don't know which should be used but would
like to know which are available? Does each browser have their
own? [346]←
16:26:59 <liam> [document providers will be able to say they prefer a pa
rticular algorithm from a well-known list; I hope to see at least two su
pported (first-fit as now, and n-line) ]
[345] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[347]Liam Quin: [document providers will be able to say they
prefer a particular algorithm from a well-known list; I hope to
see at least two supported (first-fit as now, and n-line) ]
[348]←
16:27:16 <astearns> q+ to mention ladders
[347] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
[349]Alan Stearns: q+ to mention ladders [350]←
16:27:24 <azaroth> Dave: It becomes a bit intertwined with justification
at that point to decide
[349] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[351]Dave Cramer: It becomes a bit intertwined with
justification at that point to decide [352]←
16:27:26 <mgylling> ack astearns
[351] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[353]Markus Gylling: ack astearns [354]←
16:27:26 <Zakim> astearns, you wanted to mention ladders
[353] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: astearns, you wanted to mention ladders [355]←
16:28:09 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
[356]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [357]←
16:28:33 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
[356] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[358]Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf [359]←
16:29:42 <azaroth_> Markus: Okay, moving on...
[358] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[360]Markus Gylling: Okay, moving on... [361]←
16:29:51 <azaroth_> Dave: Should we talk about tables a bit?
[360] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[362]Dave Cramer: Should we talk about tables a bit? [363]←
16:30:01 <azaroth_> ... I think this a good and interesting topic
[362] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... I think this a good and interesting topic [364]←
16:30:24 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/CA+EQKqi5UqFG_6X7hKnH0CxQBeWRno
pzxg5THpXQYG_smX84JA@mail.gmail.com mail sent just now
[365]Ivan Herman: ->
[366]http://www.w3.org/mid/CA+EQKqi5UqFG_6X7hKnH0CxQBeWRnopzxg5
THpXQYG_smX84JA@mail.gmail.com mail sent just now [367]←
16:30:37 <azaroth_> ... Ben has done a tremendous amount of research int
o automated rendering for HE texts
[365] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[366]
http://www.w3.org/mid/CA+EQKqi5UqFG_6X7hKnH0CxQBeWRnopzxg5THpXQYG_smX84JA@mail.gmail.com
... Ben has done a tremendous amount of research into automated
rendering for HE texts [368]←
16:31:02 <azaroth_> Ben: I sent a mail to the list. Higher level -- lin
e on character support, but can be on any character often decimals
[369]Ben Ko: I sent a mail to the list. Higher level -- line on
character support, but can be on any character often decimals
[370]←
16:31:15 <azaroth_> Second is support for flush left center. Not sure th
ere's a standard term.
[369] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
Second is support for flush left center. Not sure there's a
standard term. [371]←
16:31:41 <azaroth_> ... FLC is a common variation on FL and FC, not supp
orted in things even like InDesign
... FLC is a common variation on FL and FC, not supported in
things even like InDesign [372]←
16:31:48 <azaroth_> Ivan: What does it do?
[373]Ivan Herman: What does it do? [374]←
16:32:26 <azaroth_> Ben: What's the difference? FLC says look at the col
umn, find the longest line in the entries, center that line, and then ta
ke all the other lines and flush left on that longest, centered line
[373] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ivan_Herman
[375]Ben Ko: What's the difference? FLC says look at the
column, find the longest line in the entries, center that line,
and then take all the other lines and flush left on that
longest, centered line [376]←
16:32:30 <Bill_Kasdorf> That is used in poetry as well as tables
[375] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
[377]Bill Kasdorf: That is used in poetry as well as tables
[378]←
16:32:42 <azaroth_> Markus: Flush meaning align the left most character
with the base
[377] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[379]Markus Gylling: Flush meaning align the left most
character with the base [380]←
16:32:50 <azaroth_> Ben: Yup, align left
[379] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[381]Ben Ko: Yup, align left [382]←
16:32:56 <azaroth_> Bill: Also done in poetry
[381] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
[383]Bill Kasdorf: Also done in poetry [384]←
16:33:11 <azaroth_> Ben: Third is preventing line wrap if you have cells
aligning on a character or word
[383] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[385]Ben Ko: Third is preventing line wrap if you have cells
aligning on a character or word [386]←
16:33:27 <mgylling> important point re poetry, means this is not table-s
pecific alignment behavior
[385] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
[387]Markus Gylling: important point re poetry, means this is
not table-specific alignment behavior [388]←
16:33:28 <azaroth_> ... Fourth, table widths. Lots of notes about requi
rements. Ask group if I should document?
[387] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
... Fourth, table widths. Lots of notes about requirements. Ask
group if I should document? [389]←
16:33:30 <dauwhe> q+
[390]Dave Cramer: q+ [391]←
16:33:45 <azaroth_> ... idea is that tables don't size to some arbitrary
dimension, set by fixed width
[390] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... idea is that tables don't size to some arbitrary dimension,
set by fixed width [392]←
16:33:45 <tzviya> q+
[393]Tzviya Siegman: q+ [394]←
16:33:57 <azaroth_> ... idea partially aesthetics and relationships betw
een tables
[393] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
... idea partially aesthetics and relationships between tables
[395]←
16:34:05 <dauwhe> q-
[396]Dave Cramer: q- [397]←
16:34:07 <azaroth_> ... 4 tables that showed similar data and should be
considered together
[396] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... 4 tables that showed similar data and should be considered
together [398]←
16:34:18 <azaroth_> ... if rendered at diff sizes may be hard to see the
y're related
... if rendered at diff sizes may be hard to see they're
related [399]←
16:34:51 <azaroth> ... can't preset the width, so have to be able to set
table to some choice of width that is provided
... can't preset the width, so have to be able to set table to
some choice of width that is provided [400]←
16:35:00 <azaroth> ... those are the high level points so far
... those are the high level points so far [401]←
16:35:21 <azaroth> ... Alan? you replied on list, can you read it back t
o discuss?
... Alan? you replied on list, can you read it back to discuss?
[402]←
16:35:34 <azaroth> Alan: You had steps for aligning on a character eg de
cimal. didn't seem right
[403]Alan Stearns : You had steps for aligning on a character
eg decimal. didn't seem right [404]←
16:35:46 <azaroth> ... centering portion can't be part of the algorithm
sometimes
[403] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
... centering portion can't be part of the algorithm sometimes
[405]←
16:35:53 <azaroth> Ben: Circumstance?
[406]Ben Ko: Circumstance? [407]←
16:36:06 <azaroth> Alan: Gave some sample data in reply.
[408]
[406] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
[408] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
Alan Stearns : Gave some sample data in reply. [409]←
16:36:28 <azaroth> ... Can result in case where nothing is centred and t
hat's appropriate
... Can result in case where nothing is centred and that's
appropriate [410]←
16:36:52 <azaroth> Ben: Yes, true.
[411]Ben Ko: Yes, true. [412]←
16:36:55 <Liza> q+
[411] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
[413]Liza Daly: q+ [414]←
16:37:00 <azaroth> \me notes scribe isn't understanding discussion
[413] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
\me notes scribe isn't understanding discussion [415]←
16:37:30 <azaroth> Alan: Focus more on discussion and less on an algorit
hm. Could be a faster algorithm. Just talk about requirements not neces
sarily steps
[416]
[416] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
Alan Stearns : Focus more on discussion and less on an
algorithm. Could be a faster algorithm. Just talk about
requirements not necessarily steps [417]←
16:37:47 <azaroth> Ben: Fair enough. I think in this case I think we wan
t to stay away from implementation details
[418]Ben Ko: Fair enough. I think in this case I think we want
to stay away from implementation details [419]←
16:38:00 <azaroth> ... trying to give examples that there's additional d
etails to consider
[418] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
... trying to give examples that there's additional details to
consider [420]←
16:38:32 <azaroth> ... agree that when more digits on one side in one ce
ll, and more on the other side in another cell, but no individual cell w
ould be centered
... agree that when more digits on one side in one cell, and
more on the other side in another cell, but no individual cell
would be centered [421]←
16:38:40 <mgylling> ack tzviya
[422]Markus Gylling: ack tzviya [423]←
16:38:43 <azaroth> Markus: Shall we go through Q?
[422] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[424]Markus Gylling: Shall we go through Q? [425]←
16:39:07 <azaroth> Tzviya: Snapping to width is relevant, often related
to trim size. Data relevant to a section needs to be presented in the sa
me way.
[424] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[426]Tzviya Siegman: Snapping to width is relevant, often
related to trim size. Data relevant to a section needs to be
presented in the same way. [427]←
16:39:40 <azaroth> ... also spans and straddles -- can be difficult to a
chive with CSS, esp with centre the content within a span. In HE content
often see vertical text, not sure if we want to mention in high level r
eqs but will come up
[426] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
... also spans and straddles -- can be difficult to achive with
CSS, esp with centre the content within a span. In HE content
often see vertical text, not sure if we want to mention in high
level reqs but will come up [428]←
16:39:44 <azaroth> Ben: Agreed
[429]Ben Ko: Agreed [430]←
16:39:48 <mgylling> ack Liza
[429] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
[431]Markus Gylling: ack Liza [432]←
16:39:58 <Bill_Kasdorf> Do you mean vertical text or rotated text?
[431] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[433]Bill Kasdorf: Do you mean vertical text or rotated text?
[434]←
16:40:06 <astearns> I think we should definitely mention Latin vertical
text requirements
[433] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[435]Alan Stearns: I think we should definitely mention Latin
vertical text requirements [436]←
16:40:06 <azaroth> Liza: To what extent do we want to consider tables in
mobile devices where there's no room
[435] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[437]Liza Daly: To what extent do we want to consider tables in
mobile devices where there's no room [438]←
16:40:11 <tzviya> +100
[437] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[439]Tzviya Siegman: +100 [440]←
16:40:16 <azaroth> ... problem with basic html in reading systems
[439] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
... problem with basic html in reading systems [441]←
16:40:20 <azaroth> +100 from me too
+100 from me too [442]←
16:40:37 <azaroth> ... Do we want to dictate what the behaviour should b
e when the reading system can't fill the space
... Do we want to dictate what the behaviour should be when the
reading system can't fill the space [443]←
16:40:58 <azaroth> Markus: Something that Tzviya has talked about as wel
l. The most basic things not working. A separate cluster of requirement
s?
[444]Markus Gylling: Something that Tzviya has talked about as
well. The most basic things not working. A separate cluster of
requirements? [445]←
16:41:29 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
[444] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[446]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [447]←
16:41:31 <azaroth> Dave: First thought is it sounds like a separate clus
ter of fallbacks for tables in limited screen real estate, how tables sh
ould degrade. Haven;t thought about it a lot
[446] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[448]Dave Cramer: First thought is it sounds like a separate
cluster of fallbacks for tables in limited screen real estate,
how tables should degrade. Haven;t thought about it a lot
[449]←
16:41:39 <azaroth> ... expect other people have spent more time
[448] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... expect other people have spent more time [450]←
16:41:50 <azaroth> Markus: What task force? Tzviya, under adaptive?
[451]Markus Gylling: What task force? Tzviya, under adaptive?
[452]←
16:42:22 <azaroth> Tzviya: I mentioned it. If we talk about tables in th
is document, we should mention it. That it won't render everywhere. Also
Bill was considering -- not everything can function as a table in mobil
e
[451] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[453]Tzviya Siegman: I mentioned it. If we talk about tables in
this document, we should mention it. That it won't render
everywhere. Also Bill was considering -- not everything can
function as a table in mobile [454]←
16:42:31 <azaroth> ... not sure a fallback would be the way we define it
[453] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
... not sure a fallback would be the way we define it [455]←
16:42:42 <azaroth> Dave: Just using to mean some simplified arrangement
[456]Dave Cramer: Just using to mean some simplified
arrangement [457]←
16:42:55 <azaroth> Liza: Not to increase the scope, but need a position
on it as a real issue
[456] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[458]Liza Daly: Not to increase the scope, but need a position
on it as a real issue [459]←
16:43:02 <azaroth> Markus: Agreed, been up before and we need to cover i
t
[458] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liza_Daly
[460]Markus Gylling: Agreed, been up before and we need to
cover it [461]←
16:43:32 <azaroth> Dave: latinreq might be the place to describe the hig
h end use case, what we want to do with tables, but not the place to wor
k on more restrictive circumstances
[460] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[462]Dave Cramer: latinreq might be the place to describe the
high end use case, what we want to do with tables, but not the
place to work on more restrictive circumstances [463]←
16:43:40 <azaroth> Markus: Natural home? Tzviya?
[462] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[464]Markus Gylling: Natural home? Tzviya? [465]←
16:43:50 <azaroth> Tzviya: Still trying to figure out what my area is :)
[464] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[466]Tzviya Siegman: Still trying to figure out what my area is
:) [467]←
16:43:59 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
[466] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[468]Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf [469]←
16:43:59 <azaroth> ... do have a use case, so can bring it up. Sure.
[468] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
... do have a use case, so can bring it up. Sure. [470]←
16:44:34 <azaroth> Bill: Just to point out that there's an obvious beha
viour that compensates -- the ability to hide rows or columns. Typicall
y not reading everything, just looking something up
[471]Bill Kasdorf: Just to point out that there's an obvious
behaviour that compensates -- the ability to hide rows or
columns. Typically not reading everything, just looking
something up [472]←
16:44:45 <azaroth> ... don't care about columns 2-4 to look up something
in column 5
[471] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
... don't care about columns 2-4 to look up something in column
5 [473]←
16:45:00 <azaroth> ... so if you can hide them, you can see it on your p
hone
... so if you can hide them, you can see it on your phone
[474]←
16:45:21 <Zakim> -Sharad_Garg
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharad_Garg [475]←
16:45:21 <azaroth> Tzviya: Don't necessarily agree. Sometimes need every
thing to do a comparison.
[476]Tzviya Siegman: Don't necessarily agree. Sometimes need
everything to do a comparison. [477]←
16:45:41 <azaroth> Bill: If it's a table, then given the ability to look
at portions is useful. Not a complete solution
[476] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[478]Bill Kasdorf: If it's a table, then given the ability to
look at portions is useful. Not a complete solution [479]←
16:45:48 <azaroth> Markus: Where were we with alignment in columns
[478] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[480]Markus Gylling: Where were we with alignment in columns
[481]←
16:46:17 <azaroth> Ben: I'll clean up the language to correct hte langua
ge. Screenshots ... how to provide?
[480] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[482]Ben Ko: I'll clean up the language to correct hte
language. Screenshots ... how to provide? [483]←
16:46:26 <azaroth> Dave: I can put them in the doc if you email them to
me
[482] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Ben_Ko
[484]Dave Cramer: I can put them in the doc if you email them
to me [485]←
16:46:34 <azaroth> ... next comment was can we have some illustrations
[484] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... next comment was can we have some illustrations [486]←
16:46:50 <azaroth> Markus: Sounds like we had unanimous agreement was re
quirements, not to mandate algorithms
[487]Markus Gylling: Sounds like we had unanimous agreement was
requirements, not to mandate algorithms [488]←
16:47:08 <astearns> q+ on algorithms
[487] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[489]Alan Stearns: q+ on algorithms [490]←
16:47:13 <azaroth> Dave: Some sort of tricky example to align on charact
er, describing these kind of arrangements
[489] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[491]Dave Cramer: Some sort of tricky example to align on
character, describing these kind of arrangements [492]←
16:47:16 <mgylling> ack astearns
[491] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[493]Markus Gylling: ack astearns [494]←
16:47:16 <Zakim> astearns, you wanted to comment on algorithms
[493] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
Zakim IRC Bot: astearns, you wanted to comment on algorithms
[495]←
16:47:18 <azaroth> ... in scope for this doc
... in scope for this doc [496]←
16:47:47 <azaroth> Alan: Algorithm the computer has to go through seems
out of scope. Manual algorithm for print production, those steps are ver
y useful to describe
[497]Alan Stearns : Algorithm the computer has to go through
seems out of scope. Manual algorithm for print production,
those steps are very useful to describe [498]←
16:48:04 <azaroth> Dave: Yes, this is how we think about it, the concept
s we apply to get the desired end result. Agree those are good
[497] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
[499]Dave Cramer: Yes, this is how we think about it, the
concepts we apply to get the desired end result. Agree those
are good [500]←
16:48:17 <azaroth> Markus: Dave, you also mentioned grids as a topic
[499] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[501]Markus Gylling: Dave, you also mentioned grids as a topic
[502]←
16:48:33 <dauwhe> http://alistapart.com
[501] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[503]Dave Cramer: [504]http://alistapart.com [505]←
16:48:34 <azaroth> Dave: Thanks to Alan for the text. Provided a lovely
example of the problem
[503] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[504] http://alistapart.com/
[506]Dave Cramer: Thanks to Alan for the text. Provided a
lovely example of the problem [507]←
16:49:11 <azaroth> ... Something I mentioned last week, the idea of the
grid seems important, also trying to get at the underlying principles. A
lignment goals that grids implement
[506] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... Something I mentioned last week, the idea of the grid seems
important, also trying to get at the underlying principles.
Alignment goals that grids implement [508]←
16:49:38 <azaroth> ... trying to get to a more fundamental aspect of the
problem. Looking at the example there, what is supposed to align with
what, that would make it look less horrible
... trying to get to a more fundamental aspect of the problem.
Looking at the example there, what is supposed to align with
what, that would make it look less horrible [509]←
16:50:09 <azaroth> ... at bottom, there's a section more from alistapart
, 3 articles with varying structures so nothing aligns
... at bottom, there's a section more from alistapart, 3
articles with varying structures so nothing aligns [510]←
16:50:21 <azaroth> ... main text isn't on the same grid, varying numbers
of lines. all over the place
... main text isn't on the same grid, varying numbers of lines.
all over the place [511]←
16:50:45 <azaroth> Alan: One of the things I'm planning to do is put som
e screenshots together to show before and after, what controls you'd nee
d to achieve the after effect
[512]Alan Stearns : One of the things I'm planning to do is put
some screenshots together to show before and after, what
controls you'd need to achieve the after effect [513]←
16:51:12 <azaroth> ... been considering for grids are theoretical, don't
work on the tools. for ppl using baseline grids, they have some manual
steps, would be good to get feedback for requirements
[512] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
... been considering for grids are theoretical, only work on
the tools. for ppl using baseline grids, they have some manual
steps, would be good to get feedback for requirements [514]←
16:51:24 <astearns> s/don't work/only work/
16:51:42 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
[515]Bill Kasdorf: q+ [516]←
16:51:43 <azaroth> Dave: Love to see some examples of grids in use. Can
point out that grid enables this to work. Underlying design principles t
o codify
[515] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[517]Dave Cramer: Love to see some examples of grids in use.
Can point out that grid enables this to work. Underlying design
principles to codify [518]←
16:51:55 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
[517] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[519]Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf [520]←
16:51:59 <azaroth> ... what grids need to achieve
[519] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
... what grids need to achieve [521]←
16:52:09 <Zakim> -fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh [522]←
16:52:17 <azaroth> Bill: Makes me think of related use case- ability to
set a vertical marker that other things are aligned with
[523]Bill Kasdorf: Makes me think of related use case- ability
to set a vertical marker that other things are aligned with
[524]←
16:52:28 <azaroth> ... not a pre existing grid, just an alignment point.
On the list?
[523] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
... not a pre existing grid, just an alignment point. On the
list? [525]←
16:52:42 <azaroth> Dave: Applies to lots of things. Side by side text, s
ide note.
[526]Dave Cramer: Applies to lots of things. Side by side text,
side note. [527]←
16:52:47 <azaroth> Bill: translations for example
[526] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[528]Bill Kasdorf: translations for example [529]←
16:52:49 <azaroth> Dave: Yeah
[528] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[530]Dave Cramer: Yeah [531]←
16:52:58 <azaroth> ... way to go is if you have examples, then send them
along
[530] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... way to go is if you have examples, then send them along
[532]←
16:53:07 <azaroth> Bill: Yes not a grid, just made me think of it
[533]Bill Kasdorf: Yes not a grid, just made me think of it
[534]←
16:53:17 <azaroth> Dave: Larger issue of alignment. How does this object
relate to that object
[533] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
[535]Dave Cramer: Larger issue of alignment. How does this
object relate to that object [536]←
16:53:39 <azaroth> ... whole subject has lots of diff manifestations. As
many examples as possible to let us come up with what we need to do
[535] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... whole subject has lots of diff manifestations. As many
examples as possible to let us come up with what we need to do
[537]←
16:54:00 <azaroth> Markus: Bill, I thought you were going to talk about
alignment in 2 page spread. points sometimes cross page boundaries.
[538]Markus Gylling: Bill, I thought you were going to talk
about alignment in 2 page spread. points sometimes cross page
boundaries. [539]←
16:54:20 <azaroth> Bill: That's true. More universal than that. DOn't wa
nt people to focus on page based rendering, relevant in reflowable
[538] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[540]Bill Kasdorf: That's true. More universal than that. DOn't
want people to focus on page based rendering, relevant in
reflowable [541]←
16:54:29 <azaroth> ... good question though, would the same mechanism wo
rk for both use cases
[540] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Bill_Kasdorf
... good question though, would the same mechanism work for
both use cases [542]←
16:54:40 <Luc> +1
[543]Luc Audrain: +1 [544]←
16:54:48 <azaroth> Dave: Sent the list another big question on equation
alignment on = signs
[543] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Luc_Audrain
[545]Dave Cramer: Sent the list another big question on
equation alignment on = signs [546]←
16:54:53 <azaroth> ... even though unrelated html structure
[545] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... even though unrelated html structure [547]←
16:55:03 <liam> +1 alignment
[548]Liam Quin: +1 alignment [549]←
16:55:05 <azaroth> ... one of the big, fundamental issues when laying ou
t pages
[548] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Liam_Quin
... one of the big, fundamental issues when laying out pages
[550]←
16:55:21 <azaroth> Markus: Need to decide what to do next week
[551]Markus Gylling: Need to decide what to do next week [552]←
16:55:30 <azaroth> ... where do you see yourself going in terms of grids
?
[551] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
... where do you see yourself going in terms of grids? [553]←
16:55:46 <azaroth> Dave: Would like to get illustrations, examples in he
re. See where they go.
[554]Dave Cramer: Would like to get illustrations, examples in
here. See where they go. [555]←
16:56:04 <azaroth> ... can start writing up more on hyphenation. WOuld l
ike to start collecting egs and screenshots
[554] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
... can start writing up more on hyphenation. WOuld like to
start collecting egs and screenshots [556]←
16:56:31 <azaroth> ... maybe go into a phase where actively working on a
few parts with lots of input from people with what trying to achieve
... maybe go into a phase where actively working on a few parts
with lots of input from people with what trying to achieve
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16:56:38 <azaroth> Markus: Alan, does that work for you?
[558]Markus Gylling: Alan, does that work for you? [559]←
16:56:43 <azaroth> Alan: Certainly
[560]
[558] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[560] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Alan_Stearns
Alan Stearns : Certainly [561]←
16:56:55 <mgylling> ack Luc
[562]Markus Gylling: ack Luc [563]←
16:57:36 <azaroth> Markus: Great. For next week, we need another task fo
rce, unless you disagree Dave?
[562] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[564]Markus Gylling: Great. For next week, we need another task
force, unless you disagree Dave? [565]←
16:57:42 <azaroth> Dave: I need a break :)
[564] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[566]Dave Cramer: I need a break :) [567]←
16:57:52 <azaroth> Markus: Tzviya, shall we move to your group?
[566] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dave_Cramer
[568]Markus Gylling: Tzviya, shall we move to your group?
[569]←
16:58:09 <azaroth> Tzviya: Don't have a lot pulled together, but could r
eview what we have now
[568] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
[570]Tzviya Siegman: Don't have a lot pulled together, but
could review what we have now [571]←
16:58:24 <azaroth> Markus: Still a bit fuzzy where the edges are, need t
o clarify where to go.
[570] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tzviya_Siegman
[572]Markus Gylling: Still a bit fuzzy where the edges are,
need to clarify where to go. [573]←
16:58:39 <azaroth> ... AOB?
[572] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Markus_Gylling
... AOB? [574]←
16:58:53 <azaroth> Dave: Several of us will be at digital book world thi
s week
[575]Dave Cramer: Several of us will be at digital book world
this week [576]←
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[580] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Tom_De_Nies
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