- From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:09:48 +0100
- To: W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>
Hi all,
The minutes of the Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
dated 2014-12-22 are now available at
http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-minutes.html
These public minutes are also linked from the dpub wiki
http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Meetings
Also find these minutes in a text version following, for your convenience.
Best,
Thierry Michel
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
22 Dec 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/12/22-dpub-irc
Attendees
Present
Charles LaPierre (clapierre), Heather Flanagan
(HeatherF), Tzviya Siegman (tzviya), Ben De Meester
(bjdmeest), Dave Cramer (dauwhe), Mike Miller
(MikeMiller), Peter Kreutzberger (pkra), Bill Kasdorf
(Bill_Kasdorf), Madi Solomon (madi), Ivan Herman (ivan),
Karen Myers (Karen_Myers), Thierry Michel (tmichel),
TimCole (TimCole), Markus Gylling
(Markus),+33.6.48.38.aabb.
Regrets
Vladimir Levantovsky, Alan Stearns, Frederick Hirsch,
Phil Madans, Julie Morris, Ayla Stein.
Chair
Markus Gylling
Scribe
Ben De Meester
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]next meeting
2. [5]Metadata
3. [6]A11Y
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 22 December 2014
<mgylling> trackbot, start telcon
<trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group
Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 22 December 2014
<HeatherF> And there's a newbie on the call.
<ivan> scribenick: bjdmeest
Markus: topics: metadata and a11y
... objections to last minutes?
... no? approved
next meeting
Markus: options: 5 or 12 january
<Karen> DBW is 13-15 Jan.
Markus: Will enough people be around at the fifth?
<pkra> I'll be aroud.
<pkra> around.
<HeatherF> I will be available for both.
<clapierre1> yes will be there
<ivan> I'll be around
\me I'm available
<Karen> Karen not available; at CES in LV
<Bill_Kasdorf> I'll be available
<TimCole> I'll be around on 5th
<AH_Miller> Good dates
Markus: allright, I will not be available, but everyone else
seems to
tzviya: We have a new member
Heather: I work with publishing IETF and so on
Markus: [gives new member advice]
<Karen> Welcome, Heather!
<tzviya> +1
Metadata
<madi_> [8]http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/
[8] http://w3c.github.io/dpub-metadata/
Bill: everyone got a look at the draft of the notes
... We would move on with the publication, without section 2
... Section 2 is replaced by a glossary (appendix A)
... so section 2 is redundant, and section 3 will be renumbered
... We sensed that this TF would not uncover any serious issues
in OWP
... while publishers have many metadata issues, the ground of
these issues are not part of the OWP
... some things might be refined
<HeatherF> no dropouts for me
Bill: but the problems are :
... there are a gazillion vocabaries
... there are very specific vocabularies
... W3C is providing a universal framework
... to express those vocabularies
<HeatherF> ah. That's a good clarification for me; I was
wondering if/how the archivist-themed metadata might fit in all
this.
Bill: We found that there are many different groups working on
similar issues
... we want them to express withing and between domains the
issues they face
... they all need to talk to each other
... the second bullet point
... tools and manuals of how to use metadata
... there were 2 subprojects: how much expressions of ID as
URIs are there, and how many works are there about RDF?
... Madi started with a gigantic list of Identifiers
... a majority of them _can_ be expressed as URIs, many of them
_are_ expressed as URIs
... but tends to be siloed
... there are areas where certain IDs are not expressed at all
as URIs
<HeatherF> same
<Karen> same
Bill: ISBN is currently possible to be expressed as a URI
... In both cases, the lists are not exhaustive
... Appendix C also shows a list of RDF-resources
... one of our criteria was: would an executive read this?
... this list is a starting point
... the issue is chicken-and-egg: no-one uses it because no-one
uses it
... What is needed is an expanding of these resources
... last point is to associate rights metadata with
publications
... e.g. ODRL
... personally, There should be an underlying framework to work
with multiple vocabularies
... conclusion: the more W3C can disseminate specs and
technologies to increase the interoperability, the better
... the note also includes the interviews (as mentioned before)
tzviya: question: who's the target audience?
... there is a lot of assumed knowledge of publishing _and_ OWP
... I think we need one perspective, and a little more targeted
<madi_> q
Ivan: for W3C the question is: is there any work to be done by
W3C?
... that was the starting position
<tmichel> who is calling from france with +33.6.48.38.aabb ?
Madi: I think we should have this one doc, with extra deepening
docs
Bill: This is more a progress reports, we don't want to
replicate material that already existed
TimCole: there are some very usefull documents on the Web
... about URIs etc
... One of the things that came up: what are good example URIs?
... e.g., Google URI is not neutral
... the tradeoff: do we want to include useful URIs, even
though they are tied to organizations?
<Karen> +1 include library communties
Ivan: [about not including google IDs]
... The google way examplifies an organization that does some
work for itself, and adds some useable URIs for itself
... if we do that, we should add more than just Google URIs
(e.g., Gutenberg, Europeana, etc)
... atm, the current URIs are standard or from a group of
organizations
Bill: trade publishers will say: what about Amazon?
Ivan: indeed
... We can review the note in a year
... but now, we need to be consistent
TimCole: do we have text in the note about those IDs (Google,
Amazon), that explains the rationale?
Bill: that should be good
tzviya: Explanation about only listing the non-proprietary IDs
would be good
Bill: The note could be publishable with the changes mentioned?
(leaving out section to and adding the URI explanation)
<ivan> PROPOSED: the metadata report should be published as a
NOTE in January
<Karen> +1 add some context per Tzviya's suggestion
<HeatherF> I think those subsequent projects would be useful
Bill: question: do we want to alude to the point that we want
to do subsequent projects?
Ivan: ATM, I am not sure that we have reasonable chances to do
more projects properly
<ivan> +1
<mgylling> +1
+1
<HeatherF> +1
<laudrain> +1
<madi_> +1
<clapierre1> +1
<pkra> +1
<TimCole> +1
<tzviya> +1
<Bill_Kasdorf> +1
<dauwhe> +1 with edits suggested by Tzviya
<ivan> RESOLUTION: the metadata report should be published as a
NOTE in January (modulo some editing)
A11Y
<AH_Miller> +1
<clapierre1> [9]https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/wiki
[9] https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/wiki
clapierre: The wiki has three sections
... We are going to see which techniques are relevant for DPUB
... then, from that sublist, we go from the google sheets to
the wiki
... as there are a lot of people working on these techniques
list
... afterwards, we will dig into the relevant techniques
... and look for comments, provide examples
... our ultimate goal is to create an accessible note on a11y
... with comments of what publishers should be aware of, and
what we might need
... I am not sure if we need to be concerned about ARIA, except
for UAAG WCAG and ATAG
Bill_K: observation: what is your target audience?
clapierre: we want guidelines for publishers, not for W3C
recommendation
... if there are gaps, we would escalate that to protocols and
standards, for example
Ivan: question: whether the 3 docs (WCAG etc) cover what the
publishers need
... that needs to be answered to the W3C groups
... this is easier than metadata, easier to separate
... 2nd question: what are the used techniques
... again, less of a problem then for metadata TF
... [about ARIA] that work is very different, this TF should
focus on the current 3, and put ARIA aside for the moment
clapierre: we just got the google sheets done, and linked from
our wiki, now it is a matter of filtering the content
... we will concentrate in the first quarter of 2015 if the
status is good
tzviya: concern: It looks like an enormeous amount of work, do
you have enough resources to move forward?
clapierre: I will link to the google sheets, then everybody can
edit
Markus: [about whether this is the right approach] I certainly
think they are not out of scope, this is very relevant work
... starting with the guideline trio is good to me
... covering DPUB needs in these documents using ARIA? No, ARIA
covers very rudimentary html pages, not books or magazines
... we don't need to throw ourselves at that right now
... [about resources] what is your timeline for hitting a first
readable version?
clapierre: we are with a dozen or less, we could be a lot
bigger
... if anyone is interested, we need some extra help
... this TF has always had a difficulty to find people
... a lot of people, a lot of timezones (for organizing conf
calls)
... I hope to get something by the end of the first quarter
... Once experts have determined what is relevant, we can go
from the google sheets to the Wiki
... but no fixed timeline
Markus: So, once all google sheets are ready, they are all fed
into the wiki?
clapierre: yes
Markus: There is a lot of work
... How can the IG stay connected to this?
clapierre: I don't have any ideas, tzviay is on our TF as well
tzviya: It would be good to have a (bi-)weekly telcon, maybe on
alternating timezones
... to have, e.g., something finished by the end of january,
and DPUB issues can be solved starting from february
Markus: that concludes today, and that concludes this year
... next telcon on january 5th 2015
<HeatherF> Thanks all!
<pkra> happy holidays!
<laudrain> happy new year
<tzviya> happy new year
<mgylling> +regrets Ayla
Summary of Action Items
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