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<trackbot> Date: 01 October 2015
<scribe> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0030.html
<scribe> ScribeNick: fjh
Reminder re TPAC hotels and registration (no DAP F2F) , https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0018.html
Publishing Moratoria https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0025.html
Welcome Lukasz Olejnik - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0028.html
fjh: Adam from Plantronics also joined https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/0032.htmlnt
... interested in their interest etc
fjh: ad hoc meeting at TPAC scheduled 27 Tuesday 15:00-18:00
... Tobie will send note to DAP list, has already notified WoT group and Automotive group
<anssik> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015Sep/0075.html
<anssik> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-automotive/2015Sep/0021.html
tobie: how about geoloc
fjh: yes, let them know as well
... will also have breakout session on Plenary Day
anssi: we can use plenary for introduction
fjh: yes get more interest and participation
tobie: too bad long meeting is before introduction
... goal for ad hoc meeting is use cases, requirements, and spec comments
<anssik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2015/ad-hoc-meetings#Generic_Sensor_API
tobie: working session , perhaps try to rewrite APIs for WoT and Automotive using generic sensor API
<anssik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2015/SessionIdeas#Generic_Sensor_API
tobie: for breakout can focus on high level and spec extension
fjh: please update the wikis to be clear on the topics
anssik: when should I start updating ambient light
... before TPAC?
fjh: depends on status of generic sensor spec, is it stable enough?
tobie: I'm looking at this as I work on the generic sensor API
... pretty much ready to do now
... before TPAC ok
... details on precisely writing spec not there yet, e.g. security issues
<anssik> https://slightlyoff.github.io/ServiceWorker/spec/service_worker/#extensibility
<anssik> https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/powerfulfeatures/#example-1611693b
gmandyam: tue 10-12 will have joint meeting of auto and geolocation to discuss use cases related to geolocation
... plan to mention generic sensor during that session as model to use
... encourage anyone interested in generic sensor apis to attend that session as well
anssik: can you announce joint meeting
gmandyam: yes
tobie: I would like to attend
fjh: other groups to talk with?
tobie: webRTC, enumeration and constraints might be appropriate
gmandyam: general problem of capability discovery is important, worth discussion
<anssik> http://w3c.github.io/mediacapture-main/#enumerating-devices
fjh: could consider this as levels in the spec, layers, to enable simple use cases without complexity
tobie: approach I am taking
... could do this in separate spec for discovery
fjh: plan is to have draft for Tuesday, then can do CfC once you let me know Tobie
... do you need additional review before Tuesday
tobie: no, do not need input now
... perhaps on terminology
fjh: section looked fine for me, I've used 'virtual sensor' but you mention all possible so ok
tobie: would like your input, Giri do you have any?
<anssik> https://w3c.github.io/sensors/#terminology
anssik: liked the terminology
fjh: +1
anssik: would you prefer to have issues into FPWD
tobie: would like to close about 2/3 before we ship, so there should be fewer question blocks
fjh: find it useful to have items inline
tobie: can collapse the issues with way to bring inline
gmandyam: terminology section is good, maybe also talk about 1-shot and polling and async approaches
fjh: can also put issues in appendix with links
tobie: have issue for this, higher level view of how sensor data is fetched should be added
fjh: can rely on editor to handle this properly
tobie: will find compromise have having content , hopefully to be able to expand line items by clicking or if few just put inline
fjh: don't need to track issues in doc, but want to share issues with readers that could help or provide feedback
gmandyam: need to see if comments on geolocation that can be applied to generic sensor API, will share if I find any
... need to also look at device orientation
fjh: can you do this
gmandyam: yes, will post to DAP mailing list
tobie: looking for feedback from groups and also looking for feedback from developers, hence want to improve the spec and share it Tuesday
fjh: need to arrange Transition call for FPWD
tobie: Dom suggested we can do this in parallel
RESOLUTION: Minutes from 17 Sept 2015 are approved, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Sep/att-0017/minutes-2015-09-17.html
anssik: reviewed HTML media capture tests, closed actions
... contacted Microsoft, not tracking spec, not sure whether they are implementing
... not sure status of Mozilla
tobie: thought there was project to add into HTML spec, cannot tell now that tracking tool has changed so many times
anssiK: living spec is accepting pull requests
... how to contribute to WhatWG
<anssik> Requested feedback from Mozilla and Microsoft:
<anssik> Mozilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741393#c10
<anssik> Microsoft: https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/Status/issues/49#issuecomment-140709630
anssi: concern is what if multiple apps to take photo
... could still implement
fjh: wonder if Jonas will be at TPAC, perhaps discuss there
... what about battery
anssi: mozilla implemented previous spec, plan was to be working on alignment with latest CR, no progress yet
... waiting for mozilla
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