- From: Robin Berjon <robin@berjon.com>
- Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:34:40 +0200
- To: public-device-apis@w3.org
Here they are:
http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-dap-minutes.html
And in text:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
14 Oct 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0148.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-dap-irc
Attendees
Present
Marco_Marengo, Paddy_Byers, Robin_Berjon, Daniel_Coloma,
wonsuk, David_Rogers, Dzung_Tran, Ilkka_Oksanen,
Anssi_Kostiainen, Richard_Tibbett, Marcin_Hanclik,
WonSuk_Lee, Claes_Nilsson, Kangchan
Regrets
Frederick_Hirsch, Niklas_Widell, Dominique_Hazael-Massieux,
Venezia_Claudio, Steve_Lewontin, Daniel, Coloma
Chair
Robin Berjon
Scribe
Bryan Sullivan, Bryan1
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection
2. [6]Minutes approval
3. [7]Editorial Updates
4. [8]Policy Segment
5. [9]ISSUE-32
6. [10]API Segment
7. [11]AOB
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 14 October 2009
<darobin> tlr: Zakim is buggy it seems...
<tlr> darobin, known problem, we'll need to deal with it
<darobin> ok, cool
<dtran> +dtran
<dtran> dtran is Dzung_Tran
<arve_> I am on the call at least
<darobin> arve_, it's a bug
<darobin> we need an "RRSAgent who's here?"
<darobin> can anyone hear me?
<paddy> I can hear
<darobin> arve_, are you on the call?
<darobin> Scribe: Bryan Sullivan
<darobin> ScribeNick: Bryan
Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection
tlr: tpac plans for a privacy related panel, what does it mean to be
privacy aware
<arve_> whoever got on last needs to mute
<drogersuk> great, white noise
<tlr> *ARGH*
<darobin> bloody hell
<drogersuk> will dial back in when you are sorted
tlr: the scope of policy related work, very broadly, to drill down
on the intellectual side of the topic
... just calling to attention the plans to have a discussion
Minutes approval
<darobin>
[13]http://www.w3.org/mid/6CC33B25-9534-4030-8445-F0CC02566944@nokia
.com
[13] http://www.w3.org/mid/6CC33B25-9534-4030-8445-F0CC02566944@nokia.com
Editorial Updates
robin: minutes are approved
<darobin> [14]http://www.w3.org/TR/dap-api-reqs/
[14] http://www.w3.org/TR/dap-api-reqs/
robin: api requirements should be available tomorrow at the address
shown
... any other edits made last week?
... none so far
Policy Segment
robin: some discussions this week about prompting, any comments on
where the discussion is and next steps
paddy: a wide range of starkly differing views. prompting is
inescapapable given the wide range of apps expected, and
unfamiliarity with the app, and the need to make decisions
<tlr> agreement: "it's difficult"
paddy: good questions about when prompts should occur, e.g. re
lifecycle and obstrusiveness
... seems agreement on modality, and that we should stay away from
user experience proscription
... but only concrete conclusion is the non-modal prompt expectation
richard: agrees, non-modal is better. we should use the term dialog
instead of prompt. the concept of user opt-in should be defined.
... user needs to have an opt-in option, but before that the user
should expect prompts. Ian made a good comment, about difficulty
addressing all cases. But implicit prompting is usedful, e.g. based
upon platform filesystem functions.
thomas: leaning the same direction; we know a lot that doesn't work,
some that do work, e.g. re implicit concepts such as pushing a
button on a camera. non-modalness is important.
<Zakim> darobin, you wanted to talk about UI terminology
thomas: question about what info is available to the user-agent
about the user's intent
<darobin> [15]http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria.php
[15] http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria.php
robin: terminonology may consider aria for terminology, see link
<paddy> I can do that
robin: hearing support for the general ideas, would someone write up
the agreement
... paddy has the action to do it
<darobin> ACTION: Paddy to document the output of the prompting
discussion [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-dap-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-28 - Document the output of the prompting
discussion [on Paddy Byers - due 2009-10-21].
robin: paddy created a new issue
ISSUE-32
paddy: question was having a policy governing access to resources,
how to id the resources portably in ways meaningful to policy
authors
... have written down some thoughts and terminology to get the
discussion started, e.g. "device capability" which is definable
independent of the API's used to get access to the capability
... next interfaces, which are directly related to the API's
accessing the resources
... next the "feature" which are the API functional capabilities
... we have had discussion on using IRI to id the resources
... 2nd question is whether need to id the capabilities themselves,
to allow API-independent policies
<tlr> excellent point
paddy: so access to a capability is controllable independent of the
API, which is what BONDI supports
... propose to discuss / validate the use cases and decide how to
address this for DAP policy
robin: any reactions now?
... now this is started, input is requested and discussion. unsure
how the policy docs will be organized, but we could paste some of
this into a document for review. we will discuss this when Fredric
is here.
... anything else on policy?
API Segment
robin: item discussed is where do we want the API to hang off of.
some inputs, e.g. we may not want to define it immediately.
... so I recommend to wait for more API's to be defined then return
to the hanging off discussion
<Bryan1> scribenick bryan1
<darobin> arve: only just got back, will look into FS ASAP
<Bryan1> scribe: Bryan1
<darobin> ScribeNick: Bryan1
<darobin> robin: will continue contacts discussion on list
<darobin> richt: will contact robin offline to start putting things
inside the calendar spc
robin: a lot of discussion on scoping, sensors, etc. anything to
discuss now?
... will wait for the concrete input and take it from there
<darobin> richt: I will join the editorial pool for APIs
richard: will join the editor pool
AOB
robin: anything else on APany other business
richard: "meta-discussion" on the list. any guidelines for list
discussion?
robin: discussion about how to conduct discussion. we will make
easier progress if we edit and them consider the edits, rather than
discuss too long up-front
... sometimes its better to dive in and assess where we are
periodically
... it would be good to have some concrete work done before the F2F,
and take a step back at the F2F
david: agree, key concern raised by me is that the charter has 10
API's. we need to concentrate on those. new ideas are expected, but
the three inputs so far focus on a set of API's
... being royalty-free, we should focus on them
robin: there is some grey area due to vagueness in the charter, with
wiggle room expected. but we need to wait for concrete proposals and
consider IPR issues as they arise
... AOB?
<darobin> thanks Bryan
<darobin> RRSAgent: make minutes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Paddy to document the output of the prompting
discussion [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-dap-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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