- From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:00:17 -0500
- To: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hpl.hp.com>
- Cc: www-archive+n3bugs@w3.org, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>, www-rdf-logic@w3.org, public-cwm-bugs@w3.org
On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 02:12, Jeremy Carroll wrote:
> Hi Tim, Dan,
>
> apologies for rather formal tone here, I think it may be clearer than an
> informal tone. This is essentially a bug report with suggested fix.
> I suspect it is of wider interest, hence the www-rdf-logic CC.
Makes sense to me, but I can't speak for TimBL with confidence here.
I hope he'll respond in due course.
> This is a comment on:
>
> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log
>
> Summary:
>
> If this vocab is understood as logical rather than proof theoretic then it is
> inconsistent. Suggest changing rdfs:comments to prioritise proof theoretic
> reading.
>
> A few sample suggested changes:
>
> OLD
> log:Truth a rdfs:Class;
> rdfs:comment """Something which is true: belive it as you would belive
> this.
> Understood natively by cwm in that it will execute rules in a formula
> declared a Truth within a formula it is already taking rules
> from.""".
>
> NEW
> log:Truth a rdfs:Class;
> rdfs:comment """Something which is provable or axiomatically true:
> believe it as you would believe this.
> Understood natively by cwm in that it will execute rules in a formula
> declared a Truth within a formula it is already taking rules
> from.""".
>
>
> OLD:
>
> log:implies a rdf:Property;
> rdfs:comment """Logical implication.
> This is the relation between the antecedent (subject) and
> conclusion (object) of a rule.
> For every subsitution of variable names for symbols or literals
> which maps the antecedent to a fromula which knowledge base
> log:includes, the same substitution is applied to the
> conclusion to generate the result.
>
> Used by cwm as the basic hook for adding inference to RDF.
> See the manual to define what the knowledge base is and
> where the results go. See also log:conclusion.""";
>
> NEW
>
>
> log:implies a rdf:Property;
> rdfs:comment """The provability relationship.
> This is the relation between the antecedent (subject) and
> conclusion (object) of a rule.
> For every subsitution of variable names for symbols or literals
> which maps the antecedent to a fromula which knowledge base
> log:includes, the same substitution is applied to the
> conclusion to generate the result.
>
> Used by cwm as the basic hook for adding inference to RDF.
> See the manual to define what the knowledge base is and
> where the results go. See also log:conclusion.""";
>
>
> ============
>
> Rationale. It is possible to use rdfs:comment to introduce a contradiction
> when the comment is understood as constraining the class or property (as is
> the intent). e.g.
>
> eg:Russell a rdfs:Class;
> rdfs:comment """The class of all classes that do not have themselves as a
> type. i.e. ?x a eg:Russell if and only if not ?x a ?x""" .
>
> This appears to be just normal RDF (no N3 extensions), but is seriously
> flawed. There are no interpretations for which the comment, understood in
> English, describes the class eg:Russell.
>
> Similarly the current description of log:implies as "Logical implication" is
> flawed since there are no interpretations that make it true as shown by the
> liar paradox that I posted earlier:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-logic/2003Nov/0040
>
> @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .
> @prefix owl: <http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#> .
> {
> <http://example.org/liar>
> log:implies {
> <http://example.org/noone> a owl:Nothing .
> } .
> } owl:sameAs <http://example.org/liar> .
> <http://example.org/liar> a log:Truth .
>
> See also Pat's posting on the rules list:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-rules/2002Dec/0003
>
> A better fix would be to whole-heartedly embrace proof theoretic and define
> these terms using an abstract proof theory rather than a concrete proof
> machine (CWM). i.e. I see text like:
> """Used by cwm as the basic hook for adding inference to RDF.
> See the manual to define what the knowledge base is and
> where the results go. See also log:conclusion."""
> as essentially OK, and a good foundation on which to build a more abstract
> definition of a proof theoretic nature: log:implies is essentially practical
> not logical.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
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