Re: Reviving the CSS Print community group

Hi!

Le dim. 30 oct. 2022 à 23:47:08 -04:00:00, Liam R. E. Quin 
<liam@fromoldbooks.org> a écrit :
> On Mon, 2022-10-31 at 03:26 +0100, Julie Blanc wrote:
>> 
>>  We have begun work in this direction:

>>  https://github.com/w3c/css-print/issues/3


> 
> The proposal is very interesting - i was super pleased to see it when
> you posted it.

+1, that was really interesting. What would be the next step to 
transform it into an official working draft?

 >The CSS print community group needs to think about how to bring more 
people into the discussion. It would be great to have more proposals 
and to be able to discuss with CSSWG. I’m motivated to have these 
discussions and do things. Without putting in opposition commercial 
vendors / open-source solutions (especially about extensions because 
it’s not that simple).

We (CourtBouillon) would be available to make proof of concepts of 
proposals in WeasyPrint, so that we can give feedback about what’s 
quite easily doable (at least for us), report outstanding 
implementation issues and help these new features to be included in 
specifications.

 >First, the commercial vendors which implement the „standards“ 
around PrintCSS aka CSS Paged Media together with their own _useful_ 
extensions which are needed for professional projects.

 >Second, the open-source solutions that in my experience stick 
strictly to the W3C „standards“ and trying to
avoid any kind of extensions.

As an open-source implementation maintainer we prefer to stick to the 
standard, but not because we’re developing open-source software. The 
main reasons are:
- it’s easier to implement features that are already specified,
- it’s possible to compare the documents we generate with what the 
other tools generate,
- it’s easier to tell our clients to follow what’s on W3C’s 
specifications or on MDN than to write our own 
specifications/documentations.


>Also, the idea of a CSS zen garden for paged media would be 
really close to the original CSS zen garden and more focused on 
examples proposed by graphic designers from the same content (a book?). 
This seems different from the links shared by Andreas

.

We also like the idea of a CSS zen garden. If everyone’s OK with 
creating such a web platform, it would be a pleasure to work on it with 
you!

We have a sample of two books generated from the same HTML file but 
with different stylesheets, and other equivalent examples whose 
mock-ups have been created by a graphic designer. They are quite simple 
examples, but they’re nice for newcomers to discover what’s 
possible with HTML and CSS.

https://weasyprint.org/#samples
https://github.com/CourtBouillon/weasyprint-samples


On a different topic, we’re currently working on a tool based on 
web-platform-tests (WPT) to use the W3C test suites with non-browsers 
and include the results of these tests on the "official" platform. We 
hope that it will help paged-based renderers to become first-class 
citizens and improve interoperability. If anyone’s interested about 
this topic, there’s an open GitHub issue: 
https://github.com/web-platform-tests/wpt.fyi/issues/2893


Cheers,
-- 
Guillaume Ayoub
https://courtbouillon.org/
https://weasyprint.org/

Received on Tuesday, 1 November 2022 12:15:33 UTC