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Re: [csswg-drafts] [css-shapes] Allow shape-outside to apply to initial letter

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 17:04:48 +0000
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The Working Group just discussed `Allow shape-outside to apply to initial letter`.

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&lt;melanierichards> topic: Allow shape-outside to apply to initial letter<br>
&lt;melanierichards> Github: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/885<br>
&lt;melanierichards> fantasai: [explained two open questions in issue]<br>
&lt;melanierichards> fantasai: this is for initial letter in inline 3 spec. should be able to handle combo of initial letter and shape-outside, we have to define that<br>
&lt;AmeliaBR> +1 to allowing shape-outside: glyph or self anywhere, not just on initial-letter<br>
&lt;melanierichards> Rossen: one of the reasons we didn't want to add any geometric abstractions for shapes in level 1 is much higher implementation complexity. ??<br>
&lt;chrisl> +1 to fantasai<br>
&lt;melanierichards> Alan: my solution is to enable you to use all the inital wrap values, either with the margin box or the shape outside. we'd get the ink wrapping behavior once we add it for shape outside<br>
&lt;melanierichards> Alan: see my updated comment in issue<br>
&lt;melanierichards> astearns: [reads out comment]<br>
&lt;dauwhe> alan's comment: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/885#issuecomment-397001523<br>
&lt;melanierichards> s/Alan/astearns<br>
&lt;melanierichards> astearns: there is a problem in that you wouldn't get the full ink behavior until we define that for shape outside. that does make the parallel between letter wrapping and floating wrapping more solid.<br>
&lt;melanierichards> fantasai: means that the first value cannot work on the shape specified on shape outside, Florian suggesting we make that work. either the shape outside is controlling what we wrap the rest of the line to, or what we wrap that first line to<br>
&lt;melanierichards> astearns: trying to match the rest of the word to the initial letter. If I've got a letter and want to wrap most of it around a circle, still want the rest of the word to move to match typographically<br>
&lt;melanierichards> fantasai: could imagine someone would want to do that, but also see someone being like "This shape is replacing the glyph shape", wrap to that<br>
&lt;melanierichards> astearns: in my proposal, first line would definitely use ink bounds in every case. would get that, even with margin box<br>
&lt;melanierichards> fantasai: for an initial letter, the shape that we're wrapping to is the first letter shape, unless shape outside says "actually I want you to wrap to this other shape". we use glyph shape if shape outside is none, otherwise use provided shape<br>
&lt;melanierichards> florian: both proposals seem valid and useful in different cases<br>
&lt;melanierichards> Rossen: let's discuss further on Github and revisit next week<br>

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