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Re: [csswg-drafts] [css-inline] fill out initial-letter/float interaction section

From: L. David Baron via GitHub <sysbot+gh@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 07:03:33 +0000
To: public-css-archive@w3.org
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I agree that the initial-letter's vertical position should not account
 for the floats.  I think that's what the spec currently specifies, 
since it doesn't say otherwise, and doesn't define the initial letter 
as a float.  (Though it could be moved down for floats if it actually 
doesn't *fit* next to them.)

The horizontal position, on the other hand, does definitely need to 
account for floats, and does, since the initial letter is placed 
horizontally relative to the line, which is affected by floats... at 
least modulo issues like #689.

Then there's the question of how the position of floats needs to 
account for the initial letter (the opposite direction of interaction 
from my previous two paragraphs), which is what the section currently 
covers.  It could perhaps be retitled to make it clearer that it 
covers how floats move in response to initial letter, and not how 
initial letter moves in response to floats (which I believe is fully 
defined elsewhere).

I believe floats whose placeholder/anchor is in a line after the first
 line of the block with initial-letter but one that does intersect the
 initial letter *do* need to be pushed down vertically past floats.  
Otherwise you'd have to find a way to address the circularity of 
placing a float in a way that would need to shorten a *prior* line 
(assuming a sensible fix for #689).  I think the short text currently 
in the spec came out of a rather long working group discussion we had 
on this topic some time ago, although I'm not completely convinced it 
does so adequately (e.g., for opposite-side floats), but I haven't 
considered this closely.

As the issue currently in the section notes, it's less clear whether 
we want that behavior for a float whose placeholder/anchor is in the 
*first* line of the block with initial-letter, since in that case it 
is entirely possible to displace the initial letter.  (But is it 

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