- From: Tom Jones <thomasclinganjones@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 11:51:51 -0700
- To: Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us>
- Cc: Credible Web CG <public-credibility@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAK2Cwb7qa3BmHNi9PWi1BpiQFWUcco_byX7ZpaWwi=p37=X4MQ@mail.gmail.com>
Well that statement is not credible. thx ..Tom (mobile) On Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:37 AM Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us> wrote: > I forgot to mention: > > - It should be possible to do all the things in the list *without > Alice's consent or even knowledge*, although Alice should be able to > easily discover if any of them have been done in public contexts or > contexts to which she has access. > > bob wyman > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:36 PM Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us> wrote: > >> Alice writes a short post that says: >> >> "Bob, a known communist, recently wrote a paper supporting heat pumps. >>> We all know that Hydrogen is a better fuel for heating homes since it has >>> no global warming impact and burning hydrogen produces only water-vapor >>> as a combustion product." >> >> >> Given this, the following should be possible: >> >> - I should be able to discover that there are 10,435 annotations and >> credibility signals that have been associated with this post and that while >> some of them are positive, many are negative. That number should alert me >> to the fact that Alice's post is controversial and thus encourage me to >> review it more carefully than I otherwise might. Also, because there are so >> many signals, I'll need innovative tools to summarize, filter, and organize >> them. >> - From among the many annotations or signals created, I should be >> able to easily discover those signals and annotations authored by the five >> people or organizations that I personally trust on similar issues. (i.e. >> FOAF-like filtering) >> - If Snopes and the WaPo Fact checkers have reviewed Alice's claim >> that "Bob is a communist," my browser should indicate to me that those >> reviews exist and challenge the validity of Alice's statement. >> - If I know Bob, I should be able to support the Snopes and WaPo >> evaluations by indicating that I have personal knowledge that Bob is not a >> communist. >> - Since Alice identifies herself as "http://example.com/Alice," I >> should be able to easily find all Credibility Signals, Verified >> Credentials, etc. that have Alice as their subject. I should be able to do >> the same for Bob. >> - Given that Alice has referred to "Bob's paper," I should be able to >> "confirm" that such a paper was published and I should be able to provide a >> link to the paper as proof. (Note: Even though I find the post and Alice to >> lack credibility, I should be able to support the credibility of parts of >> the post.) >> - I should be able to mark as "false" the claim that hydrogen has no >> global warming impact and provide links to papers showing that hydrogen's >> GWP-20 is between 10 and 13. Others may elaborate the hydrogen's GWP-100 is >> about 5. Others will dispute the credibility or relevance of both of these >> proofs... >> - I should be able to mark as "false in this context" the claim that >> "burning hydrogen produces only water-vapor," and provide, as proof, links >> to papers that point out that while burning hydrogen in pure oxygen does, >> in fact, produce only water-vapor, burning hydrogen in our nitrogen-rich >> atmosphere produces NOx, NH3, and other emissions that impact either >> climate or health. >> - Since Alice received an award for being the "Hydrogen Producer >> Association's Spin-master of the Month for August, 2021," I should be able >> to associate that award with Alice's name on this post. (Note: Some will >> consider an award from the HPA to support Alice's credibility, others will >> find that this award challenges her credibility.) >> - I should be able to link from Alice's post to my own detailed >> "rebuttal"of her claims. Many others might link to other rebuttals which >> will themselves be linked other signals, resources, and claims. Others will >> link to proofs that support Alice's claims. Thus, Alice's post will become >> one point of context within a network of information resources which are >> each related to each other in some way. Starting at Alice's post, one will, >> in time, be able to find a path to a vast amount of information that both >> supports and challenges her statements. >> - The author of some post, article, or whatever, should be able to >> ask: "What claims have been supported or challenged based on my post?" by >> searching through the network of signals, annotations, etc. In this way, >> the author would gain some sense of their impact as well as discover common >> misunderstandings that should be addressed in edits or additional posts. >> - On discovering what appears to be a well crafted support or >> challenge of Alice's post, I should be able to ask: "Do the positions of >> this person usually agree or disagree with those of people I trust?" "What >> subjects does this individual usually provide signals for?" "What >> credentials does this person have?", etc. >> >> In thinking about the needs for and the potential mechanisms for >> providing the context necessary to establish credibility, I can't help >> remembering a line from Vannevar Bush's 1945 article in the Atlantic >> Monthly, "As We May Think >> <https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-may-think/303881/> >> ": >> >>> There is a new profession of trail blazers, those who find delight in >>> the task of establishing useful trails through the enormous mass of the >>> common record. >> >> >> I believe that in order to usefully address the issue of credibility and >> combat misinformation, we must do those things which will enable Bush's >> trail blazers of associative links. >> >> bob wyman >> >>
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