Re: I considered presenting

Patrick,

I'm still considering about what you've said. I've thought you'd have
payment now, payment later, donations now, donations later. As far as
interest, maybe it would be acceptable to donate 50% back to the crowd
(something involving the diagram given earlier perhaps?), or whatever is
acceptable. This is complicated. I've discovered even thinking about things
democratically could cause trouble.

See:

Why America is a Republic, not a Democracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=ygEEL57AcZs


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Brent Shambaugh
<brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/pangaia/index.php?title=Open_Currency_Network
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:25 AM, Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hmm...
>>
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/pangaia/index.php?title=New_economic_system
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:22 AM, Brent Shambaugh <
>> brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> at one point I got into automata and started wondering about scheme,
>>> lisp, prolog and all that......
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Brent Shambaugh <
>>> brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark, thanks for the link. I'll keep it in mind. Early on I thought
>>>> about visualization in layers to keep to make things a bit easier spatially
>>>> (if I can recall correctly), I also thought about various hypergraphs and
>>>> topic maps at one point. In addition, I'll admit that I am very interested
>>>> in neuroscience.
>>>>
>>>> <1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraph
>>>> <2> http://topicmaps.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Brent Shambaugh <
>>>> brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm feeling strongly about this. I also know some people who might be
>>>>> able to help with this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Brent Shambaugh <
>>>>> brent.shambaugh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a hunch a lot lies in things like Payswarm and Ripple. I mean
>>>>>> it certainly is emotional for me. Payswarm can keep track of intentions,
>>>>>> and Ripple allows of decentralized payment and may keep track of
>>>>>> intentions. Something (experience and otherwise) is telling me to focus
>>>>>> more on web payments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had a lot of problems with trying to look at everything to see
>>>>>> patterns, try to avoid reinventing the wheel. Eventually, I concluded that
>>>>>> to implement stuff I just needed to study more languages (but more, so it
>>>>>> is looking like JavaScript) and if I was bothered by the theory or wanted
>>>>>> help understanding how it would work best than CS stuff. It was all very
>>>>>> confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I safely ditch https://www.coursera.org/course/hci(Human-Computer Interaction),
>>>>>> https://www.coursera.org/course/pgm (Probabilistic Graphical
>>>>>> Models), https://www.coursera.org/course/bigdata (Web Intelligence
>>>>>> and Big Data), https://www.coursera.org/course/gamification(Gamification) and put it on the shelf for now? Clearly building a
>>>>>> distributed economy is a massive undertaking, and these things could
>>>>>> certainly come into play. Money, or at least some record of exchange,
>>>>>> appears to be a very important part. Knowing this to build something may
>>>>>> not be necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to commit more time to this, and obviously I have to focus
>>>>>> in order to do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Creating a usable barter system also requires actions be
>>>>>>> accompolished *early* in time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is my vision of such a system:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all, this requires something I call either a "Production
>>>>>>> Arena", or (less often) a "Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Production Arena (or VIPM) is the interlocking Physical Sources
>>>>>>> such as land and water rights and plants and animals and tools and other
>>>>>>> things needed to create a "Basic Outcome" for all the participants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And so we attract middle-to-upper-income investors to supply the
>>>>>>> money to buy these Physical Sources for an advertised return of organic
>>>>>>> goods and services in the future - though they will actually be receiving
>>>>>>> co-ownership in the Production Arena, and receiving the goods and services
>>>>>>> as a 'side-effect' of that co-ownership.  In this way we eliminate the
>>>>>>> buying and selling of those goods and services.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we must also attract middle-to-lower-income investors to
>>>>>>> cross-commit their *future* labor in return for co-ownership in the
>>>>>>> Production Arena.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By "cross-commit" I mean each worker will promise to work in a
>>>>>>> specific part of the Production Arena (say milking cows) in return for
>>>>>>> receiving co-ownership in many other parts of the Production Arena needed
>>>>>>> to supply him with all of his basic needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need to refine how I explain this, because there is a bit more to
>>>>>>> it that I did not include in the above...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each investors (whether committing money or future labor) will
>>>>>>> usually receive a 'bundle' of property-rights *and* commitments from others
>>>>>>> to perform the future labor necessary to accomplish that production.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example, the cow-milker would usually receive both ownership in
>>>>>>> the dentist office *and* commitments from the dentist to fix his teeth in
>>>>>>> the future when necessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When used in conjunction these commitments create the kind of
>>>>>>> security that insurance pretends to deliver.  I sometimes call it "life
>>>>>>> assurance".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Brent Shambaugh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've worked with polymers, I teach chemistry, I'm currently
>>>>>> researching how to build better economies.
>>>>>>  Website: http://adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Brent Shambaugh
>>>>>
>>>>> I've worked with polymers, I teach chemistry, I'm currently
>>>>> researching how to build better economies.
>>>>> Website: http://adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Brent Shambaugh
>>>>
>>>> I've worked with polymers, I teach chemistry, I'm currently researching
>>>> how to build better economies.
>>>> Website: http://adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brent Shambaugh
>>>
>>> I've worked with polymers, I teach chemistry, I'm currently researching
>>> how to build better economies.
>>> Website: http://adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Brent Shambaugh
>>
>> I've worked with polymers, I teach chemistry, I'm currently researching
>> how to build better economies.
>> Website: http://adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Brent Shambaugh
>
> I've worked with polymers, I teach chemistry, I'm currently researching
> how to build better economies.
> Website: http://adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com
>



-- 
Brent Shambaugh

I've worked with polymers, I teach chemistry, I'm currently researching how
to build better economies.
Website: http://adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com