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Re: Only one h1 per page?

From: Phill Jenkins <pjenkins@us.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:51:00 -0600
To: Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com>
Cc: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, raquel.moreno.carmena@gmail.com, WAI Interest Group <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>, public-comments-wcag20@w3.org
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Katie and working group, 
if we did indeed "moved back to the one-H1, then H2, etc."
then the sufficient techniques and failure techniques will need another 
review and edit.  For example, https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H42.html
has as Example 2: Headings in a 3-column layout
. . . in the example, the layout could be presented with the first heading 
in each column at the same logical level (such as an h1),
 
I do not believe there ever was guidance or agreement that only one-h1 was 
required always and everywhere, or it would have been a Success Criterion 
by itself.  I believe it is more of a guidance or best practice that most 
of the time and in many places it is recommended to have only one h1. 
George's example of an e-pub ( web site) of a book with chapters where 
every chapter heading is tagged (programmatically identified) as an h1 is 
a good example. 
___________
Regards,
Phill Jenkins
Accessibility Executive
IBM Accessibility
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From:   Katie Haritos-Shea <ryladog@gmail.com>
To:     Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc:     raquel.moreno.carmena@gmail.com, WAI Interest Group 
<w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Date:   12/10/2018 08:21 AM
Subject:        Re: Only one h1 per page?



Raquel,

Thanks Steve! The long and short of that article is that HTML 5 tried to 
implements new outline rules but it was never really implemented by the 
browsers - therefore - we moved back to the one-H1, then H2, etc.
* katie * 
Katie Haritos-Shea 
Principal ICT Accessibility Architect, 
Vice President of Accessibility at EverFi, 
Board Member and W3C Advisory Committee Rep for Knowbility 
WCAG/Section 508/ADA/AODA/QA/FinServ/FinTech/Privacy, IAAP CPACC+WAS = 
CPWA
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 8:42 AM Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> 
wrote:
hi Raquel,

this may be helpful in regards to practicality of hading level usage 
http://html5doctor.com/computer-says-no-to-html5-document-outline/
--

Regards

SteveF
Current Standards Work @W3C


On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 at 13:31, Raquel <raquel.moreno.carmena@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Hi,
Recently, I made a talk about accessibility. I needed to talk about what 
I'd learnt after making a lot of mistakes, because of a lack of knowledge. 
I had a lack of empathy, because a lack of information/knowledge..
I read a lot of documentation about accessibility and I found the 
recommendation about "only one h1 per page" in several resources, but now 
I realize that W3C doesn't include it explicitly.
Now, I'm worry about it, because I also told it in my talk. I added a 
disclaimer at the beginning of the talk: I'm not a specialist on 
accessibility. But I would like to fix my errors if I told something 
wrong.
I've continued reading about it and I've found several articles (not in 
WAI). They explain that it's a recommendation for previous versions of 
HTML, not for HTML5. You don't have to worry about the order of the rest 
of the headings if you add a <section> or <article>. In other words, you 
can start by h1 again in an <article>, for example. I wonder if assistive 
technology is ready for it.
Please, where can I find more information about this issue? Is it a valid 
recommendation? Does this recommendation make sense with HTML5? 
I'll write a post about my talk very soon, so I can take that opportunity 
to clarify this issue. I can also fix my shared slides.
Thanks in advance for your time!
Best regards,
Raquel
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