Re: Content Usable Finding people to include

+1 to Rains edit

On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 6:17 PM Rain Michaels <rainb@google.com> wrote:

> +1 to Lisa's rewrite:
>
>    - It still puts the most important point first (this is achievable)
>
>    - It also brings up front an acknowledgement of complexity and that
>    this guide is written more with the teams with systems in place, but others
>    can benefit
>
> Not trying to complicate the conversation, but I would like to suggest one
> addition to the first sentence:
>
>    - *Current (from Lisa's draft):* Finding people to include in
>    usability testing who have different cognitive and learning disabilities
>    can be achievable, even for small groups on a low budget.
>
>    - *Proposed edit: *Finding people to include in usability testing who
>    have different cognitive and learning disabilities *is strongly
>    encouraged and* can be achievable, even for small groups on a low
>    budget.
>
> Rain
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 8:34 AM Lisa Seeman <lisa1seeman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alternative draft:
>>
>>
>>  Finding people to include in usability testing who have different
>> cognitive and learning disabilities can be achievable, even for small
>> groups on a low budget. If your organization already involves users,
>> this section aims to expand that activity to include people with cognitive
>> and learning disabilities. For developers without formal user involvement,
>> even a small amount of user input and testing can make a large difference
>> to usability and accessibility. Further links about user testing and
>> useability can be on our developer resource page
>> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Developer_resources>.
>>
>> People sometimes recruit users from an organization or self-help group
>> for people with learning difficulties. Social media groups can be a
>> convenient resource. Small development groups can achieve a large
>> improvement by asking people who they know, such as friends, colleagues,
>> relatives or neighbors. Try to build a group of users who:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 11:33 PM Rachael Bradley Montgomery <
>> rachael@accessiblecommunity.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We decided to move the conversation around expanding a bit on the first
>>> paragraph of Finding people to include
>>> <https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/consistency_checks/content-usable/index.html#finding-people-to-include>to
>>> the list.  Detlev had suggested providing a bit more framing of the first
>>> sentence. The current paragraph states:
>>>
>>> Finding people to include in usability testing who have different
>>> cognitive and learning disabilities can be achievable, even for small
>>> groups on a low budget. People sometimes recruit users from an organization
>>> or self-help group for people with learning difficulties. Social media
>>> groups can be an easy and convenient resource. Small development groups can
>>> achieve a large improvement by asking people who they know, such as
>>> friends, colleagues, relatives or neighbors. Try to build a group of users
>>> who:
>>>
>>>
>>> Discussion today suggested statements such as:
>>>
>>>    -  "If your organization already tests websites with users, this
>>>    section aims to expand that activity to include people with cognitive and
>>>    learning disabilities."
>>>    - "For each objective, many organizations can add user testing
>>>    including individuals with a range of cognitive and learning disabilities
>>>    into their user testing plan."
>>>    - Clarifying formal and informal testing
>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest the following as a starting point though we can begin with the
>>> current text if preferred:
>>>
>>> If your organization already tests with users, this section aims to
>>> expand that activity to include people with cognitive and learning
>>> disabilities. If your organization does not yet test with users, you can
>>> find information to get started including users with disabilities at Involving
>>> Users in Evaluating Web Accessibility
>>> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/test-evaluate/involving-users/> and on our developer
>>> resource page
>>> <https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Developer_resources>.
>>> Finding people to include in usability testing who have different cognitive
>>> and learning disabilities can be achievable, even for small groups on a low
>>> budget. People sometimes recruit users from an organization or self-help
>>> group for people with learning difficulties. Social media groups can be an
>>> easy and convenient resource. Small development groups can conduct informal
>>> testing leading to a large improvement by asking people who they know, such
>>> as friends, colleagues, relatives or neighbors.
>>>
>>> Try to build a group of users who:
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rachael
>>> --
>>> Rachael Montgomery, PhD
>>> Director, Accessible Community
>>> rachael@accessiblecommunity.org
>>>
>>> "I will paint this day with laughter;
>>> I will frame this night in song."
>>>  - Og Mandino
>>>
>>>