minutes from today's call

We are having trouble generating the minutes from today's call so in the
meantime I am publishing them here. unfortunately I had to reload IRC so I
can only copy from then.

Thanks to jennie for scribing!


‹LisaSeemanKest›  ack a
* Zakim sees Jennie, LisaSeemanKest on the speaker queue
‹Fazio›  present+q+
‹LisaSeemanKest›  ack j
* Zakim sees LisaSeemanKest on the speaker queue
‹Jennie›  Jennie: I am having trouble assigning an issue to myself
‹Jennie›  Alastair: Connect with Michael Cooper to try to resolve.
‹Jennie›  Lisa: Are you comfortable having people reply here?
‹Jennie›  Alastair: Yes.
‹Jennie›  Lisa: will there be a formal response?
‹Jennie›  Alastair: We have a process. If we are responding back because we
aren't changing things, or there is a disagreement
‹Jennie›  ...We write "Proposed response" and then bracket hr bracket, then
draft your response
‹Jennie›  ...This goes to survey, group meeting, and one of the chairs will
come back and reply or update.
‹Jennie›  ...It is perfectly fine to publicly put a proposed response.
‹Jennie›  ...If you prefer to do this more privately, send it to the chairs
list.
‹Jennie›  ...As long as you are being polite, there is no reason to do this
publicly
‹Jennie›  ...If there are updates to documentation, and if you are
comfortable with it, you can create a pull request.
‹Jennie›  ...Take a branch off of master, call it Issue (then add issue
number), make the change
‹Jennie›  ...If you are not comfortable with this, copy it into another
format, like a Google doc, and you can contribute that way as well
‹Jennie›  ...If you are interested in one of the success criteria, you can
contribute comments
‹Jennie›  ...As long as you have a log in for github
‹Jennie›  ...If you are able to propose a response, or write an update,
that is even better
‹Rachael›  present+
‹Jennie›  ...(going back to the Dealing with an issue section of the wiki)
‹Jennie›  ...(read through the options)
‹Jennie›  ...I find that making a summary is really helpful
‹Jennie›  ...You can add a label of "ready for survey" and this puts it
into my feed of things to take back to the group
‹Jennie›  David F: Do you want us to just start commenting?
‹Jennie›  Alastair: In the Assign column, if nobody is assigned
‹Jennie›  ...Level 1: please do comment
‹Jennie›  ...If you can take it on and come up with a response or a change,
please do assign it to yourself
‹Jennie›  ...Please avoid ones already assigned to someone else
‹Jennie›  David F: If you comment, you do not need to assign it to
yourself. But if you do, what are you committing to?
‹Jennie›  Alastair: If somebody has suggested edits, are these edits good?
You are trying to determine if they are good. You will move the issue along
‹Jennie›  ...enough that we can bring it in front of the group
‹Jennie›  ...to put together text that can go in front of the group
‹Jennie›  ...Once there is a concrete response, then that is when we get to
"survey ready" label
‹Jennie›  ...Either the response needs to be a comment, and you type in the
comment "Proposed response"
‹Jennie›  Steve: There is the proposed response, and then proposed updates
‹Jennie›  Alastair: Sometimes people propose clear responses, but other
times they are less clear
‹Jennie›  ...Sometimes the response is "we already have this on another
success criteria and it is fine there."
‹Jennie›  ...Sometimes we just need to add more examples in the
understanding document.
‹alastairc›  https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/
‹Jennie›  Lisa: Could I have the link for the draft of 2.2 you are working
against?
‹Jennie›  Alastair: This is what the public is commenting on.
‹Jennie›  ...Anything we have already changed or agreed is here
‹Jennie›  ...in the latest editor's draft
* Rachael Thank you Alastair for coming today to go over all this.
‹alastairc›
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.2_Issue_tracking_and_resolution
‹Jennie›  Alastair: It is best to use the version that the public is
commenting on
‹Jennie›  Lisa: thank you Alastair for letting us know what the process is
and walking us through it
* Rachael I second the Please help!
‹Jennie›  Alastair: Please help as you can.
‹Jennie›  * I am working on the ones for Findable Help
‹Jennie›  * Just will be working with Michael to get access to assign them
to me
‹Jennie›  Lisa: How long to process all issues?
‹Jennie›  Alastair: A couple of months, but we are also working on the
Silver public working draft
‹LisaSeemanKest›  zakim, take up item 2
‹Zakim›  agendum 2. "assign new actions
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage#Proposed_Actions.2C_Items_and_Changes"
taken up [from LisaSeemanKest]
‹Jennie›  Lisa: Steve took a look through Content Usable, and identified
patterns that needed more work.
‹Jennie›  ...There will be more and more items that we need to do
‹Jennie›  ...For the patterns, it is for people to make a proposal
‹Jennie›  ...We have 3 items here in our list, and 10 patterns
‹Jennie›  ...One item is to review all objective text and make them
consistent
‹Jennie›  Steve: that is correct, and some were missing
‹Jennie›  Lisa: And make sure they are of a similar type and length, to
feel that they are written by the same person
‹Jennie›  ...And this is different than the summary
‹Jennie›  Steve: if you are new, you can look at the summary, and then
drill down.
‹Jennie›  Lisa: that is one of the actions
‹Jennie›  ...Another is to merge similar patterns about log ins
‹Jennie›  ...There is one about possible new patterns, and I don't know if
we have time for that today
‹Jennie›  Steve: Yes, it probably needs to be an agenda item
‹Jennie›  ...There is also the fragment ids. Think about the hash - they
have been added in some places
‹Jennie›  ...If you click in the index on the left, it jumps you to that
item
‹Jennie›  Lisa: We can put that into the last editorial task
‹Jennie›  Steve: that may need some discussion first
‹Jennie›  Lisa: I think it can be done in the editorial call
‹Jennie›  Steve: For the patterns, I tried to go in with a developer's hat
and identify what may not be clear, need more explanation
‹Jennie›  Lisa: What we have is a document
‹LisaSeemanKest›
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wffN29_8YxjeL4E_wUHtKt6AGo0q3d--6cx2zZjThgg/edit
‹Jennie›  Lisa: It is in the key documents.
‹Jennie›  ...You copy it, under file it has directions
‹Jennie›  ...You copy the original in the left hand column, and write your
changed version in the right hand column
‹Jennie›  ...Bold any changes you have made
‹Jennie›  ...We have changed the template slightly, but it is very similar
to what it was
‹Jennie›  ...And that kind of should help you through it
‹Jennie›  ...If everyone could take a pattern, or two patterns, or the
items above
‹Jennie›  ...If everyone could take a pattern or review objective text.
Over the next 2 weeks.
‹Jennie›  ...Preferably the next week
‹Jennie›  Steve: I can work through them this week, next week
‹Jennie›  Lisa: David do you want to take one?
‹Abi›  q+
* Zakim sees LisaSeemanKest, Abi on the speaker queue
‹Jennie›  ...We have patterns that are low quality, so they don't fit the
template
‹Jennie›  ...We want everyone to take one pattern, or what they can
complete in the next two weeks.
‹Jennie›  ...We also need someone to review the text under the object, and
make sure it is consistent
‹Jennie›  ...And maps to the summary section
‹LisaSeemanKest›  q?
* Zakim sees LisaSeemanKest, Abi on the speaker queue
‹LisaSeemanKest›  ack l
* Zakim sees Abi on the speaker queue
‹LisaSeemanKest›  acl a
‹Jennie›  Abi: If we are taking more than one pattern, should we aim to
take them from different or the same objective?
‹Jennie›  Lisa: Whichever you prefer
‹Jennie›  Abi: Should we avoid or deliberately select ones we have worked
on before
‹Jennie›  Lisa: I would say avoid
‹Jennie›  ...This will provide a broader review
‹Jennie›  David F: In that case you can randomly assign me to
‹Jennie›  Abi: I'm ok with random assignment as well. One for sure.
‹Jennie›  Jennie: yes, please assign me one randomly
‹kirkwood›  you can assign me one
‹Jennie›  Lisa: I won't assign one to Rachael because she has other tasks.
‹Jennie›  Steve: Will we be putting this into the tracking spreadsheet?
‹Jennie›  Lisa: I think we should assign them here.
* Rachael I just realized I was muted. Thank you Lisa. I will continue to
work on the editorial
‹LisaSeemanKest›
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wffN29_8YxjeL4E_wUHtKt6AGo0q3d--6cx2zZjThgg/edit
‹Jennie›  Lisa: make a copy of this document
‹Jennie›  ...then add this URL to the tracking spreadsheet
‹Jennie›  ...Copy your old one in the left hand column, new one in the
right hand column, bold anything you have changed
‹Jennie›  q+
* Zakim sees Abi, Jennie on the speaker queue
‹Jennie›  Steve: I will do 5 for now
‹Jennie›  John K: Should I have editing access?
‹Abi›  ack a
* Zakim sees Jennie on the speaker queue
‹Fazio›  Can you put these links in an email, please?
‹Jennie›  Jennie: Which version are we checking against?
‹Jennie›  Lisa: good question.
‹LisaSeemanKest›
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kFIuq0jqWmqNHuv7zP-XpKB8TIeU6xmKTIxUZfuvooM/edit#
‹Jennie›  Steve: I added it in a link under "original pattern"
‹Jennie›  *thank you!
‹Jennie›  ack Jennie
* Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
‹Jennie›  John K: You can randomly assign me one
‹Jennie›  Lisa: OK if no one wants to review the objective text, and Steve
is doing 5, I will do that
‹Jennie›  Steve: Once I am through my 5, then I can try getting to the
objective text
‹Jennie›  Lisa: Ok, if I have time, I will assign it to myself
‹Jennie›  ...or we can work together on it
‹Jennie›  John K: you have your name next to 5 of them?
‹Jennie›  Steve: not yet
‹Jennie›  ...In the Design Guide Tracking, the first sheet is tracking
‹Jennie›  ...That's where you put your name
‹Jennie›  Lisa: I will assign people tonight when we get off the call
‹Jennie›  ...Then I will an email to the list so everyone can see where
they are
‹Jennie›  ...I will move them up to actions
‹LisaSeemanKest›  zakim, next item
‹Zakim›  agendum 1. "actions and updates
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage" taken up
[from LisaSeemanKest]
‹LisaSeemanKest›  agenda?
* Zakim sees 5 items remaining on the agenda:
* Zakim 1. actions and updates
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage [from
LisaSeemanKest]
* Zakim 3. wcag updates from Alister [from LisaSeemanKest]
* Zakim 4. process review
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Process_proposal [from
LisaSeemanKest]
* Zakim 5. (if time) making a set of overview videos [from LisaSeemanKest]
* Zakim 6. Jennies Draft of Instructions for Volunteers to create images
[from LisaSeemanKest]
‹LisaSeemanKest›  zakim, take up item 4
‹Zakim›  agendum 4. "process review
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Process_proposal" taken up
[from LisaSeemanKest]
‹Jennie›  Lisa: I think we have taking up the process review
‹Jennie›  Lisa: I have sent this to the list a few times
‹Jennie›  ...Hopefully everyone is ok with it
‹LisaSeemanKest›
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f4NhQMtQthDbShVje3evTqELBa9eR6eSyoA31Jjlgm4/edit#heading=h.9wbk125kdfid
‹Jennie›  ...We could close it now if there are no other comments
‹Jennie›  ...If we agree on the call, I will put it to CFC on the list
‹Jennie›  ...Small items we will either agree in email or on a call
‹Jennie›  ...It is hard to quantify what is small
‹Jennie›  ...But for those we can agree on a call or in an email
‹Jennie›  ...For medium issues, such as other working groups write an issue
and we want to make a response
‹Jennie›  ...then we will do an agreement on the email list and on the call
‹Jennie›  ...And we record these decisions
‹Jennie›  ...We will have a wiki page with decisions
‹Jennie›  ...Large items, and an example is publishing the glossary.
‹Jennie›  ...Or asking working groups to publish Content Usable
‹Jennie›  ...We agree on the call, agree on the email list, and wait 2
working days.
‹Jennie›  ...That email will have attention grabbing subject lines
‹Jennie›  ...like CFC action required
‹Jennie›  ...Then the decision will be recorded on the wiki page
‹Jennie›  ...Then there were discussion points
‹Jennie›  ...discussing until all opinions have been expressed
‹Jennie›  ...We won't use a survey if others are not comfortable
‹LisaSeemanKest›  q?
* Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
‹Jennie›  *I need to drop off - can someone wrap up notes?
‹Rachael›  +1 to decision policy
* Rachael I will wrap up notes Jennie
‹kirkwood›  +1
‹Abi›  +1
‹Jennie›  +1
‹Jennie›  *Thank you Rachael - dropping off now
‹Fazio›  +1
‹stevelee›  +1
‹LisaSeemanKest›  +1
‹kirkwood›  must drop
‹Rachael›  Resolution: Move the decision on the decision policy to a list
(it is a large item)
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‹Rachael›  Rrsagent, make logs world
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