- From: John Kirkwood <kirkwood@citymouse.com>
- Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:29:44 -0400
- To: Lee Steve <stevelee@w3.org>
- Cc: "public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org" <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>, Lisa Seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>, "James A." <A.James@soton.ac.uk>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
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Fair enough Steve. Thank you for the clarity regarding learning difficulties and the history. Yes it was and think it may have it popped up in definitions: specifically Including less severe 'cognitive conditions' such as learning disabilities. Sorry seems may not have tracked that and where we landed, thank you. It is complicated and not necessarily absolute and are overlapping: "Clinical diagnoses of cognitive disabilities include autism, Down Syndrome, traumatic brain injury (TBI), and even dementia. Less severe cognitive conditions include attention deficit disorder (ADD), dyslexia (difficulty reading), dyscalculia (difficulty with math), and learning disabilities in general." [webaim.org <https://webaim.org/articles/cognitive/>] Thanks and I'll look some more at the glossary entries as well. -JK > On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Steve Lee <stevelee@w3.org> wrote: > > John > > If you are referring to the Task force name of "Cognitive and learning disabilities” that was decided on a while time back to handle the fact the "learning difficulties" means differing things in differing countries. It was, I believe, an attempt to be as inclusive as possible. Others can clarify. > > That is part of the reason why I'm concern about the use of the acronym "COGA" (or "Coga") as a shorthand for the Task Force name. It leaves out the Learning Disabilities part. It also need to be defined in every document that it is used in. > > Or are you referring to the fact that "Leaning Disbabilitie"s appears in two different Glossary entries? I think that is a problem. > > Steve > > On 09/06/2020 18:18, John Kirkwood wrote: >> Also, I am concerned about specifically including the "learning disabilities” phrase / language. >> In the US this phrase generally refers the neurological processes on learning for (reading/writing/math with an Education focus). For example even a quick search for "learning disability" leads to learning disability association of America (ldaamerica.org <http://ldaamerica.org>) supports this. This is also the understanding and how we used in the NY/US gov’t policies and the US educational space. So if our focus in that area (if unintentional) we should make sure to be. >> Therefore if it including “learning disabilities:” I would also include "aging related cognitive decline" and "acquired brain injury" as well if we are wanting to include the “learning" term. I realize this may be UK (non-google bias) or US culture/language difference as well. Or simply remove “learning disabilities”. Additionally could include it in definition of cognitive disabilities. >> Overall, want to ensure more inclusive of the much larger older aging and acquired neurological disability community. >> -JK >>> On May 28, 2020, at 9:59 AM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com <mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I think they are close . Three small comments >>> >>> 1. I am not sure a definition should start with "Involves" or "Unlike". I think they should say what the thing is. >>> >>> for eample >>> Age Appropriate Forgetfulness (sometimes called “age related memory loss”) >>> Unlike people with dementia, those with age appropriate forgetfulness have memory issues that can be a normal part of aging. They may take longer to learn new things, forget something but remember it later, or occasionally forget particular words. >>> >>> could be >>> Age Appropriate Forgetfulness (sometimes called “age related memory loss”) >>> people with with age appropriate forgetfulness have memory issues that can be a normal part of healthy aging (unlike dementia). They may take longer to learn new things, forget something but remember it later, or occasionally forget particular words. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. Some times an example would make it clearer. >>> >>> for example >>> *Alternative and Augmentative Communication System (sometimes referred to as “AAC”)* >>> >>> >>> Any device or app that can be used to help those who cannot use spoken language and need additional support by means of symbols, images and/or text. >>> >>> >>> could have added >>> >>> "For example, a board of symbols or pictures that say a word when pressed" >>> >>> 3. alternative terms and abbreviation could just be in brackets after the term >>> such as: *Alternative and Augmentative Communication System (AAC)* >>> >>> All the best >>> >>> Lisa Seeman >>> >>> LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/>, Twitter <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- On Wed, 20 May 2020 21:34:29 +0300 *Steve Lee <stevelee@w3.org <mailto:stevelee@w3.org>>* wrote ---- >>> >>> That makes sense, but we could always request it gets promoted to a >>> better place. >>> >>> On 20/05/2020 18:59, James A. wrote: >>> > Thank you all for your feedback. I feel this glossary should be >>> kept separate and presented in a similar way to other W3C >>> glossaries. The WAI page where this content came from is an >>> educational page on abilities and barriers so is not really >>> suitable for adding unrelated content. >>> > >>> > Best wishes >>> > >>> > Abi >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> >> On 20 May 2020, at 15:11, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net >>> <mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> It's probably best for W3C/WAI to speak with one voice. So, >>> amplifying >>> >> and adding to the existing resource makes sense. >>> >> >>> >> We should consider that orthagonal to the COGA document, >>> though. I don't >>> >> believe the one is dependent on the other at this point. >>> >> >>> >> Best, >>> >> >>> >> Janina >>> >> >>> >> Lisa Seeman writes: >>> >>> This looks very good. Thank you.I think it is good enough for >>> a wide review draft, but maybe intergration into the wai glossary >>> is a bit earlyAll the bestLisa SeemanLinkedIn, Twitter ---- On >>> Wed, 20 May 2020 13:33:00 +0300 stevelee@w3.org >>> <mailto:stevelee@w3.org> wrote ----Thank you Abi and Jennie >>> >>> >>> >>> Could I suggest we consider seeing if our entries could be >>> added to the >>> >>> WAI website resource so there is a single point of reference? >>> >>> >>> >>> That will make it easier for developers to find and use, plus >>> should >>> >>> also ease maintenance, especially now the formats are similar. >>> >>> >>> >>> We can always explore the option after this Wide Review >>> release if there >>> >>> is not enough time. >>> >>> >>> >>> Apologies if you were already suggesting this. >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 19/05/2020 18:22, James A. wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Jennie and I have been working on the glossary task. We found >>> that the >>> >>>> current W3C WAI page on abilities and barriers >>> >>>> >>> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2Fpeople-use-web%2Fabilities-barriers&data=01%7C01%7Ca.james%40soton.ac.uk%7C0b47a8a804324e3a9ebe08d7fcc7a2f0%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=I1kElfxqgm97Xw0CMWjU940o%2FWKTQReupa%2BgZ56Uaeo%3D&reserved=0> >>> contained >>> >>>> descriptions of many of the cognitive difficulties that we were >>> >>>> attempting to define. As these were clear and easy to read, >>> as well as >>> >>>> already in use by W3C, we felt that we should use these as a >>> starting >>> >>>> point and adopt this style for the additional entries we >>> require. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> We have created a glossary from the WAI definitions and have >>> added >>> >>>> additional entries to cover the our prioity list in the same >>> style. This >>> >>>> has been reviewed by Rachael and EA so we feel that this is >>> now ready to >>> >>>> go out as part of the wider review of content usable. The >>> proposed >>> >>>> glossary is in a google doc at >>> >>>> >>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1AuM-06Alk5VgVgFPTsJD2DcadIrcGIRVDcNgFwPiQRc%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=01%7C01%7Ca.james%40soton.ac.uk%7C0b47a8a804324e3a9ebe08d7fcc7a2f0%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=Z6RGLOx%2Brc38qdIOpDebyPHRfxH%2Fap0wGQFbOd7UccM%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >>>> . >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Best wishes >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Abi >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> >> Janina Sajka >>> >> >>> >> Linux Foundation Fellow >>> >> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: >>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fa11y.org%2F&data=01%7C01%7Ca.james%40soton.ac.uk%7C0b47a8a804324e3a9ebe08d7fcc7a2f0%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=6ptbg11YWUFxnfZwjNeh66THxvQ9Iy4OFloY7WpwwFY%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >> >>> >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility >>> Initiative (WAI) >>> >> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures >>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2Fwai%2Fapa&data=01%7C01%7Ca.james%40soton.ac.uk%7C0b47a8a804324e3a9ebe08d7fcc7a2f0%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=SsdbREtFSZlU7%2FpTl5E6Ir1JTfn3s7lKs2QmrG3%2F70Q%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> >>>
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