RE: Proposed glossary entries

Hi John

Are you referring to the definition of learning disabilities, currently proposed as:
Learning disabilities
Learning disabilities involves difficulty processing auditory, tactile, visual, or other sensory information often accompanied by poor working memory. This can affect reading (dyslexia), writing (dysgraphia), processing numbers (dyscalculia), processing auditory information (auditory processing disorder), or spatial and temporal orientation (dyspraxia). [WAI]
Note, learning disabilities are sometimes called “specific learning disabilities/difficulties (SpLD)” in Europe and some other countries, and “perceptual disabilities” in other regions.
Or to Cognitive and learning disabilities, currently proposed as:

Cognitive and Learning Disabilities

Cognitive and learning disabilities affect how people process information. For the purposes of COGA<https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/>, this definition also includes behavioral and mental health disorders that are not neurological.

Cognitive and learning disabilities can range from impacting specific skills and tasks to many aspects of daily living. They can affect a person’s: perception, memory, language, attention, problem solving, and comprehension. These neurological disorders can also impact physical and sensory skills such as impact how well people hear, move, see and speak which rely on processing information. Examples of cognitive and learning disabilities include dyslexia, developmental disabilities, dementia, and brain injuries.

Best wishes

Abi

From: John Kirkwood <kirkwood@citymouse.com>
Sent: 09 June 2020 18:18
To: public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org; Lisa Seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
Cc: Lee Steve <stevelee@w3.org>; James A. <A.James@soton.ac.uk>; Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Subject: Re: Proposed glossary entries

Also, I am concerned about specifically including the "learning disabilities” phrase / language.

 In the US this phrase generally refers the neurological processes on learning for (reading/writing/math with an Education focus). For example even a quick search for "learning disability"  leads to learning disability association of America (ldaamerica.org<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fldaamerica.org%2F&data=01%7C01%7CA.James%40soton.ac.uk%7C2c5d4d53991d4bc9bfb108d80c991fa1%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=K%2BgMJjyZ%2B6D51RysJdqLLIpxQH%2FMX09PZ0ESlrdhNAU%3D&reserved=0>) supports this. This is also the understanding and how we used in the NY/US gov’t policies and the US educational space. So if our focus in that area (if unintentional) we should make sure to be.

Therefore if it including “learning disabilities:” I would also include "aging related cognitive decline" and "acquired brain injury" as well if we are wanting to include the “learning" term. I realize this may be UK (non-google bias) or US culture/language difference as well. Or simply remove “learning disabilities”. Additionally could include it in definition of cognitive disabilities.

Overall, want to ensure more inclusive of the much larger older aging and acquired neurological disability community.

-JK


On May 28, 2020, at 9:59 AM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>> wrote:

I think they are close . Three small comments

1. I am not sure a definition should start with "Involves"  or "Unlike". I think they should say what the thing is.

for eample
Age Appropriate Forgetfulness (sometimes called “age related memory loss”)
Unlike people with dementia, those with age appropriate forgetfulness have memory issues that can be a normal part of aging. They may take longer to learn new things, forget something but remember it later, or occasionally forget particular words.

could be
Age Appropriate Forgetfulness (sometimes called “age related memory loss”)
people with with age appropriate forgetfulness have memory issues that can be a normal part of healthy aging (unlike dementia). They may take longer to learn new things, forget something but remember it later, or occasionally forget particular words.



2. Some times an example would make it clearer.

for example
Alternative and Augmentative Communication System (sometimes referred to as “AAC”)


Any device or app that can be used to help those who cannot use spoken language and need additional support by means of symbols, images and/or text.


could have added

"For example, a board of symbols or pictures that say a word when pressed"

3. alternative terms and abbreviation could just be in brackets after the term
such as: Alternative and Augmentative Communication System (AAC)

All the best

Lisa Seeman

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---- On Wed, 20 May 2020 21:34:29 +0300 Steve Lee <stevelee@w3.org<mailto:stevelee@w3.org>> wrote ----

That makes sense, but we could always request it gets promoted to a
better place.

On 20/05/2020 18:59, James A. wrote:
> Thank you all for your feedback. I feel this glossary should be kept separate and presented in a similar way to other W3C glossaries. The WAI page where this content came from is an educational page on abilities and barriers so is not really suitable for adding unrelated content.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Abi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 20 May 2020, at 15:11, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote:
>>
>> It's probably best for W3C/WAI to speak with one voice. So, amplifying
>> and adding to the existing resource makes sense.
>>
>> We should consider that orthagonal to the COGA document, though. I don't
>> believe the one is dependent on the other at this point.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Lisa Seeman writes:
>>> This looks very good. Thank you.I think it is good enough for a wide review draft, but maybe intergration into the wai glossary is a bit earlyAll the bestLisa SeemanLinkedIn, Twitter ---- On Wed, 20 May 2020 13:33:00 +0300 stevelee@w3.org<mailto:stevelee@w3.org> wrote ----Thank you Abi and Jennie
>>>
>>> Could I suggest we consider seeing if our entries could be added to the
>>> WAI website resource so there is a single point of reference?
>>>
>>> That will make it easier for developers to find and use, plus should
>>> also ease maintenance, especially now the formats are similar.
>>>
>>> We can always explore the option after this Wide Review release if there
>>> is not enough time.
>>>
>>> Apologies if you were already suggesting this.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>> On 19/05/2020 18:22, James A. wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone
>>>>
>>>> Jennie and I have been working on the glossary task. We found that the
>>>> current W3C WAI page on abilities and barriers
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>>>> descriptions of many of the cognitive difficulties that we were
>>>> attempting to define. As these were clear and easy to read, as well as
>>>> already in use by W3C, we felt that we should use these as a starting
>>>> point and adopt this style for the additional entries we require.
>>>>
>>>> We have created a glossary from the WAI definitions and have added
>>>> additional entries to cover the our prioity list in the same style. This
>>>> has been reviewed by Rachael and EA so we feel that this is now ready to
>>>> go out as part of the wider review of content usable. The proposed
>>>> glossary is in a google doc at
>>>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1AuM-06Alk5VgVgFPTsJD2DcadIrcGIRVDcNgFwPiQRc%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=01%7C01%7Ca.james%40soton.ac.uk%7C0b47a8a804324e3a9ebe08d7fcc7a2f0%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&amp;sdata=Z6RGLOx%2Brc38qdIOpDebyPHRfxH%2Fap0wGQFbOd7UccM%3D&amp;reserved=0<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1AuM-06Alk5VgVgFPTsJD2DcadIrcGIRVDcNgFwPiQRc%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=01%7C01%7CA.James%40soton.ac.uk%7C2c5d4d53991d4bc9bfb108d80c991fa1%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=UXZmkHQ0M8ppN4Ytc121qnBCA4RpcHhrOYeZ%2FaidDxw%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Abi
>>>>
>>>
>>
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