RE: Proposed glossary entries

Dear All

I have fiddled with the AAC one to see if it helps, using Lisa's example and an extra word!  The others I think may need more consensus, as I know different countries use different definitions.

Best wishes
E.A.

From: lisa.seeman [mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com]
Sent: 03 June 2020 11:11
To: lisaseeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
Cc: Steve Lee <stevelee@w3.org>; James A. <A.James@soton.ac.uk>; Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>; public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org
Subject: Re: Proposed glossary entries

Are we meant to be looking at for the glossary https://docs.google.com/document/<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1AuM-06Alk5VgVgFPTsJD2DcadIrcGIRVDcNgFwPiQRc%2Fedit%23heading%3Dh.vifybsxkua2x&data=01%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C16a8b78e9b8c4f99677608d807a685cf%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=c%2FcJlFdXceRPGtIK1NEVlLXM7FmN3b32tGAHoYRjmBw%3D&reserved=0>

We can not add comments to the document, so a few thoughts

1. We had agreed on the WHO and CDC / DMS5. Things taken from the WAI must at least be from the glossary?
2. Items  should be a definition - what the thing is - in brief simple language, so people know how we user the term in the document. Discusion can come after if needed

So something like :
age appropriate forgetfulness :Unlike people with dementia, those with age appropriate forgetfulness have memory issues that can be a normal part of aging.

would be better as:

"age appropriate forgetfulness: memory issues that can be a normal part of healthy aging. (Unlike people with dementia, were forgetfulness is due to a  disorder and is more pronounce)"

3. i think we should focus how er have used the word. if necessary as an example. For example,

AAC: Any device or app that can be used to help those who cannot use spoken language and need additional support by means of symbols, images and/or text.

I think adding "for example a screen with symbols that the user can select to speak the appropriate words or add them to a document." would make it clearer how we use it."


4. Cognitive and Learning Disabilities
I disagree with "They can range from having a mild to significant impact on their activities of daily living." if it is mild impact, it is often not considered a disability. I would lose that line. In fact I disagee with most of this definition. Where is it from?

5. Early Stage Dementia
I am not sure this is a definition

6. Executive functions are a set of cognitive processes that are necessary for the cognitive control of behavior - with or without goles!

7. I was surprised at the definition of learning disability. Seems like subgroup to me, and cofuces the cause rather that the effect

8. I thought short term memory is sometimes called working memory. were are the deffintions for memory from?

9. I dont think MCI is the deffinition.

10 . neurodiverse - isnt this characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical functions?

11. TBI  - isnt this damage to the brain resulting from external mechanical force (IE not from illness etc)


I am happy to add them to the document if you make it editable.


All the best

Lisa Seeman

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---- On Thu, 28 May 2020 16:59:26 +0300 lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>> wrote ----

I think they are close . Three small comments

1. I am not sure a definition should start with "Involves"  or "Unlike". I think they should say what the thing is.

for eample
Age Appropriate Forgetfulness (sometimes called “age related memory loss”)
Unlike people with dementia, those with age appropriate forgetfulness have memory issues that can be a normal part of aging. They may take longer to learn new things, forget something but remember it later, or occasionally forget particular words.

could be
Age Appropriate Forgetfulness (sometimes called “age related memory loss”)
people with with age appropriate forgetfulness have memory issues that can be a normal part of healthy aging (unlike dementia). They may take longer to learn new things, forget something but remember it later, or occasionally forget particular words.



2. Some times an example would make it clearer.

for example
Alternative and Augmentative Communication System (sometimes referred to as “AAC”)


Any device or app that can be used to help those who cannot use spoken language and need additional support by means of symbols, images and/or text.


could have added

"For example, a board of symbols or pictures that say a word when pressed"

3. alternative terms and abbreviation could just be in brackets after the term
such as: Alternative and Augmentative Communication System (AAC)

All the best

Lisa Seeman

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---- On Wed, 20 May 2020 21:34:29 +0300 Steve Lee <stevelee@w3.org<mailto:stevelee@w3.org>> wrote ----




That makes sense, but we could always request it gets promoted to a
better place.

On 20/05/2020 18:59, James A. wrote:
> Thank you all for your feedback. I feel this glossary should be kept separate and presented in a similar way to other W3C glossaries. The WAI page where this content came from is an educational page on abilities and barriers so is not really suitable for adding unrelated content.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Abi
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 20 May 2020, at 15:11, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote:
>>
>> It's probably best for W3C/WAI to speak with one voice. So, amplifying
>> and adding to the existing resource makes sense.
>>
>> We should consider that orthagonal to the COGA document, though. I don't
>> believe the one is dependent on the other at this point.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Janina
>>
>> Lisa Seeman writes:
>>> This looks very good. Thank you.I think it is good enough for a wide review draft, but maybe intergration into the wai glossary is a bit earlyAll the bestLisa SeemanLinkedIn, Twitter ---- On Wed, 20 May 2020 13:33:00 +0300 stevelee@w3.org<mailto:stevelee@w3.org> wrote ----Thank you Abi and Jennie
>>>
>>> Could I suggest we consider seeing if our entries could be added to the
>>> WAI website resource so there is a single point of reference?
>>>
>>> That will make it easier for developers to find and use, plus should
>>> also ease maintenance, especially now the formats are similar.
>>>
>>> We can always explore the option after this Wide Review release if there
>>> is not enough time.
>>>
>>> Apologies if you were already suggesting this.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>> On 19/05/2020 18:22, James A. wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone
>>>>
>>>> Jennie and I have been working on the glossary task. We found that the
>>>> current W3C WAI page on abilities and barriers
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>>>> descriptions of many of the cognitive difficulties that we were
>>>> attempting to define. As these were clear and easy to read, as well as
>>>> already in use by W3C, we felt that we should use these as a starting
>>>> point and adopt this style for the additional entries we require.
>>>>
>>>> We have created a glossary from the WAI definitions and have added
>>>> additional entries to cover the our prioity list in the same style. This
>>>> has been reviewed by Rachael and EA so we feel that this is now ready to
>>>> go out as part of the wider review of content usable. The proposed
>>>> glossary is in a google doc at
>>>> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1AuM-06Alk5VgVgFPTsJD2DcadIrcGIRVDcNgFwPiQRc%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=01%7C01%7Ca.james%40soton.ac.uk%7C0b47a8a804324e3a9ebe08d7fcc7a2f0%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&amp;sdata=Z6RGLOx%2Brc38qdIOpDebyPHRfxH%2Fap0wGQFbOd7UccM%3D&amp;reserved=0<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1AuM-06Alk5VgVgFPTsJD2DcadIrcGIRVDcNgFwPiQRc%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=01%7C01%7Cead%40ecs.soton.ac.uk%7C16a8b78e9b8c4f99677608d807a685cf%7C4a5378f929f44d3ebe89669d03ada9d8%7C0&sdata=nOnmOvjODTx0sZmcv6%2F8Bq0%2FHwoFMzMnU8SHoRiirBc%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> Abi
>>>>
>>>
>>
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