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Re: sampling pages

From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 08:46:22 -0600
Message-ID: <CAKdCpxyso1Kjkmk-ySxXth50sbyzq9OqdYvt7BoLqzvLLgJfFA@mail.gmail.com>
To: EA Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Cc: "lisa.seeman@zoho.com" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>, public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
EA writes:

> I am not sure what alternatives we could offer unless you are thinking of
the wide scope that personalisation has to offer and will impact on checks?


While I am super-excited about the progress we're making on the
Personalization front, I come up short of expecting to see much, if any, of
that added to WCAG (or Silver) as mandated requirements any time soon. We
have little-to-no tooling today (at both the consuming and authoring end),
virtually zero implementation experience, and (honestly) I don't think
we'll ever see much of it adopted a scale: we might see a subset (action,
destination, purpose), but (for example) I simply do not see the local
pizzeria adding data-symbol to their local "order a pizza" website,
no matter how beneficial it would be, at least not any time soon. (I do,
however, see this being taken up with IoT interfaces, which have limited
and relatively static content anyway. But for mass-market, broad
consumption web content that is published dynamically - news sites for
example (which today often suffer from sprellig mistrakes) - I simply do
not see those sites doing all of the extra authoring work required.)

I've long held that for much of the groundwork we are laying, it will fall
to proxy (site-in-the-middle) sites or organizations to apply the
additional semantic data we're facilitating today (as a comparative model,
I look to how universities today - at least in North America - handle
alt-format production). Whether that site-in-the-middle applies this
manually, or eventually using AI, for the short-term future I have little
expectation we'll see much of this adopted legislatively, whether via a
WCAG 2.x or "Project Silver" framework.

My $0.02

JF

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 8:20 AM EA Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:

> Sorry to be difficult but in what way do you feel the proposal does not
> make sense?
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> The % of pages to be tested depending on the number of pages on the
> website?
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> The type of testing undertaken?
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> The way conformance is measured?
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> or something else?
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> I am not sure what alternatives we could offer unless you are thinking of
> the wide scope that personalisation has to offer and will impact on
> checks?
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> Best wishes
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> E.A.
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> Mrs E.A. Draffan
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> *From:* lisa.seeman [mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com]
> *Sent:* 29 January 2020 14:00
> *To:* public-cognitive-a11y-tf <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
> *Subject:* sampling pages
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> Hi folks,
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> Silver have a proposal for sampleing the pages in a site
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> See:  proposal for sampling sizes
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> Im not sure this makes sense from a coga perspective. What do you think?
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> All the best
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> Lisa Seeman
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*​John Foliot* | Principal Accessibility Strategist | W3C AC Representative
Deque Systems - Accessibility for Good
deque.com
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