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RE: re Findable Help proposed success criteria

From: EA Draffan <ead@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 18:22:43 +0000
To: "Delisi, Jennie (MNIT)" <jennie.delisi@state.mn.us>, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
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Dear Jennie

First I do apologise for the late reply but I have been away and am now in major catch up mode!

I realise that this article is not a research paper on the subject of chatbots, but I think we could take some of the ideas and link them to the problems that arise with a better bit of searching for academic papers. https://www.toptal.com/designers/ux/chatbot-fails


Best wishes
E.A.

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From: Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) [mailto:jennie.delisi@state.mn.us]
Sent: 30 October 2019 17:31
To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
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Subject: RE: re Findable Help proposed success criteria

Thank you John.
I will be working this type of information into the document in the next few days.

Jennie

From: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com<mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:25 AM
To: Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) <jennie.delisi@state.mn.us<mailto:jennie.delisi@state.mn.us>>
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Subject: Re: re Findable Help proposed success criteria

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Hi Jennie,

The concern here (at least for me) is defining "effective", which is and always will be subjective, right down to the individual end-user.

There is also the additional concern of why the chat-bot is there, and what task or activity might be associated to that particular form of "help" - i.e. the complexity of the task (for any individual) will have a direct relationship on needing help and/or assistance, which might range from an automated "FAQ" (i.e. one potential chatbot solution), versus at the end, a user *absolutely* needing to have real-time human assistance.

In other words, there are different types (and levels) of "help", and if the actual goal here is to provide real-time human assistance, then we need to be crystal clear in scoping that out, which is but one form of help.

JF

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 9:57 AM Delisi, Jennie (MNIT) <jennie.delisi@state.mn.us<mailto:jennie.delisi@state.mn.us>> wrote:
Hello,
Yesterday I had the opportunity to discuss the Findable Help proposed success criteria with the Accessibility Guidelines group. I think it went well, and there was both good feedback and a greater understanding of the challenges faced by some with cognitive disabilities as they try to complete a task and need help.
I’m currently reviewing all the feedback, and will be reaching out with requests as I revise and prepare for Tuesday’s meeting when this will again be on the agenda.
One suggestion from a group member was “I think we need data to back up automated chatbots being ineffective, especially since they might also be used in support pages or help content.”
Another posed the concept of the best, most intuitive and helpful chatbot you could conceive of – what if someone makes that? Would it still fail this?
So, I’m asking this COGA group:

1.    Please send links to research you may have in regards to chatbots not being effective.

2.    Could you send a sentence or two about: If there was an ideal chatbot, it would…?
Please know that I am not confident that we could write enough specifics to make the chatbot piece doable for individuals with cognitive disabilities, however, I want to pose the question to this group since it was asked during the meeting.
Thanks,
Jennie
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