Re: please check this SC before we submit it to wcag survey

EXAMPLES OF PROBLEM

OK so if I have a 10,000 page document — I can provide a simple summary of two sentences and it will pass? 

How about a one sentence summary  (like the title)? 


In another document I highlight two key words when they are used. 


This will make these documents substantially easier for people with cognitive disabilities?  



WHERE I THINK WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING OUR EFFORT  (NOT SC’s)

My concern is that we take what should be good advice - but not really quantifiable - and we keep trying to make SC out of them instead of abandoning this SC fixation and writing a good document on how to make things better for People with cognitive disabilities. 

There is SO MUCH we have to say — and SO LITTLE  that is  “do exactly this and it will help (at least some significant portion of ) people with cognitive disabilities without making it harder for others to use.       

YES - there are cognitive SC to be captured — but not that many compared to all the good advice and guidance we could provide if we just stopped trying to make good advice and guidance into SC. 

g 

Gregg C Vanderheiden
greggvan@umd.edu




> On May 17, 2017, at 3:30 AM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com> wrote:
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> After Greggs comments we are rewording  provide support <https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32>   (closer to the original - before we were told to avoid lists).
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> Are people happy with the following language...
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> For long documents, numerical information, relative and cardinal directions, multi page forms and non-standard controls one of the following is provided 
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> Charts, tables or graphics are provided to  aid the comprehension 
> Numbers are reinforced with non-numerical values
> A  summary is provided 
> At least two keywords are visually emphasized in long documents
> Instructions are available for non standard controls
> context sensitive help is provided
> For multi step forms, signposts should be provided to clarify the broader context including steps completed, current step and steps pending.
> alternative terms are available for  relative and cardinal directions 
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> non-standard controls, long documents etc are defined terms
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> All the best
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> Lisa Seeman
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> ---- On Tue, 16 May 2017 00:29:08 +0300 Gregg C Vanderheiden<greggvan@umd.edu> wrote ---- 
> again  a great idea — and  Great advice.
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> But it cannot be  an SC  because it is not testable.
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> Content is provided that helps users understand complex information, long documents, numerical information, relative and cardinal directions, forms and non-standard controls.
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>  What kind of content?
> How much?
> If I provide any content at all how am I to know where the line is between complex and noncomplex information. And if I do provide something that is complex, what does providing content to help understand it mean? If I provide a link at the top of the page it says, here is a book on the topic, is that providing content to help understand the information?
> You have cardinal directions listed. If a person doesn’t understand directions what is sufficient for me to put on my page to explain them?
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> In short, is an author and no idea one I have crossed any of these lines, and I absolutely no idea what sufficient to meet the success criteria from the language in the success criteria.
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> Great idea, but doesn’t qualify as a success criterion. Any criterion has to  be very specific  and measurable  with a statement as to exactly when something passes
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> Gregg C Vanderheiden
> greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>
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> On May 15, 2017, at 2:56 PM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com <mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>> wrote:
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> Hi Folks
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> We are reworking the wording on provide support <https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32>
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> Can everyone check if they are happy with the user need has been well addressed?
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> Know issues: 
> 1, we need to give research for the definitions on long document
> 2, we may get rid of multi page forms or find better techniques/ definition  and 
> 3,  non- standard controls-  this term may need to change or be better defined
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> All the best
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> Lisa Seeman
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