- From: Debra Ruh <debra@ruhglobal.com>
- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:33:10 -0400
- To: "lisa.seeman" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
- Cc: "public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org" <public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org>
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Regrets for today's meeting. I can not attend because of a client meeting. However - the DS Techniques will be updated and delivered by my end of day on Thursday, March 19th. Thanks, Debra *Debra Ruh* Ruh Global Communications Global Accessibility and Disability Inclusion Strategist G3ict EmployAbilty & Technology Chair (804) 749-3565 (o) (804) 986-4500 (c) Debra@RuhGlobal.com www.RuhGlobal.com <http://www.ruhglobal.com/> Follow Me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/debraruh>; LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Debra/Ruh/>; Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/debraruh>; Pinterest <http://www.pinterest.com/debraruh/boards/>; Tumblr <http://debraruh.tumblr.com/>; G+ <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103969162247453543198/about>; Instagram <http://instagram.com/debraruh>; Medium <https://medium.com/@debraruh>; and Klout <https://klout.com/#/debraruh> Proud to announce my book “Find Your Voice using Social Media” http://ow.ly/kxglR My 2nd book "Uncovering Hidden Human Capital: How Leading Corporations Leverage Multiple Abilities in Their Workforce" will be published in 2015. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:13 AM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com> wrote: > Thanks Debra! > > All the best > > Lisa Seeman > > Athena ICT Accessibility Projects <http://accessibility.athena-ict.com> > LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/>, Twitter > <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa> > > > > > ---- On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 02:05:09 +0200 *Debra Ruh > Global<debra@ruhglobal.com <debra@ruhglobal.com>>* wrote ---- > > Agree Lisa and John some of these resources are perfect for Down syndrome > and I will be adding the validated ones. > > *Debra Ruh, **Ruh Global Communications* > Global Accessibility and Disability Inclusion Strategist > G3ict Employability & Technology Chair > (804) 986-4500 > Debra@RuhGlobal.com > www.RuhGlobal.com <http://www.ruhglobal.com/> > > Follow Me on twitter <https://twitter.com/debraruh>,linked > <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Debra/Ruh/>-in, facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/debraruh>,pinterest > <http://www.pinterest.com/debraruh/boards/>, tumblr > <http://debraruh.tumblr.com/>, Google > <https://plus.google.com/u/0/103969162247453543198/about>+ > > And SKYPE at debraruh > > Proud to announce my book “Find Your Voice using Social Media” > http://ow.ly/kxglR > > My 2nd book "Uncovering Hidden Human Capital: How Leading Corporations > Leverage Multiple Abilities in Their Workforce" will be published in 2015. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 15, 2015, at 12:42 PM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com> wrote: > > Hi John > I do not think they need to be only good for autism, but we need to add > autism to the groups of people who it helps and add the relevant research. > > All the best > > Lisa Seeman > > Athena ICT Accessibility Projects <http://accessibility.athena-ict.com> > LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/>, Twitter > <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa> > > > > > ---- On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 15:46:32 +0200 * > Rochford<john.rochford@umassmed.edu <john.rochford@umassmed.edu>>* wrote > ---- > > Hi Lisa, > > > > Thank you for that info, and for your good memory. > > > > Yes, long ago, I cited on the “Research sources” page, all of the articles > you listed. See > http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Research_sources > > > > The one exception is the article you listed as having “interesting ideas”. > I found an active version at > http://www.autism.org.uk/working-with/autism-friendly-places/designing-websites-suitable-for-people-with-autism-spectrum-disorders.aspx. > In my opinion, none of the techniques listed are unique to people with > Autism Spectrum Disorders. Thus, I did not add any to our techniques page. > > > > I don’t feel comfortable adding the techniques authored by Kate Deibel and > Katherine Mancuso. I will rely upon them to add those themselves. > > > > I also reviewed the “real problems” Kate informed us about the WebAIM > guidelines. I thus agree they should not be included on our techniques > page. For everyone’s convenience, the following are Kate’s concerns. > > > > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 11:40 AM > > To: public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org > > Subject: Re: Short comment on autisim in the gap analysis > > > > In general, I'm always hesitant to cite (or even recommend) WebAIM's > recommendations on cognitive disabilities. The lack of cited research is > one factor, but a larger problem for me are the unscientific examples given > in the reading section. This balderdash taints the rest of the advice. > > > > Let me explain what I mean by balderdash. Currently, the example box under > the Reading, Linguistic, and Verbal Comprehension section gives two > examples. The first plays around with spacing in the Hamlet quote "To be or > not to be." One can click to see the same phrase next to a picture of > Shakespeare and this somehow alleviates the problem of poor spelling. Sure, > this works if one assumes the reader has this huge storehouse of cultural > knowledge. This might be compelling if it were not for the fact that the > phrase is very simple. What if we take a popular quote from Ulysses by > James Joyce? Would that make it easier to understand? I doubt it. > Furthermore, what is one to gain from this example? You can ignore spacing > assuming you provide contextual information? > > > > The second example given on the WebAIM page is a link to a personal > website that talks about scrambled text and how we apparently only pay > attention to the first and last letters in words (or the first two and last > two). This is pretty much a continuation of an Internet folklore > > forward: http://www.snopes.com/language/apocryph/cambridge.asp > > > > Pretty much all examples showing how scrambled text can be read just fine > rely upon short common words. The moment you get into more domain-specific > text or more complex text, the effect breaks down. > > Additionally, correct reading alone is a poor measure! Reading speed is > certainly affected. If one's reading is already labored---as occurs with > disabilities like dyslexia---then further reductions are a bad thing. > > > > A while back, I started putting together a breakdown of the scrambled text > meme, but then I found this really comprehensive web article with > > citations: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/people/matt.davis/cmabridge/ > > > > These odd-spacing example and scrambled text examples do nothing to help > illustrate what reading disabilities are like. In fact, they suggest that > reading is this super skill that can easily adapt to problems with minimal > consequences. The actual suggestion here for designers is that readers will > compensate on their own... which is very problematic. > > > > I mentioned on a phone call before that we need to be careful not to > replicate bad information. These WebAIM examples are such hot potatoes that > we must let drop. > > <End Kate’s message> > > > > John > > > > John Rochford <http://profiles.umassmed.edu/profiles/display/132901> > UMass Medical School/E.K. Shriver Center > Director, INDEX Program > Instructor, Family Medicine & Community Health > www.DisabilityInfo.org > Twitter: @ClearHelper <https://twitter.com/clearhelper> > > > <http://www.facebook.com/pages/New-England-INDEXShriver-CenterUMass-Medical-School/227064920160> > <https://twitter.com/NEINDEX> <http://www.disabilityinfo.org/blog/> > > > > *From:* lisa.seeman [mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>] > *Sent:* Sunday, March 15, 2015 3:38 AM > *To:* Rochford, John > *Cc:* public-cognitive-a11y-tf@w3.org > *Subject:* RE: ACTION-78: Add techneques for autisim to > https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html (Cognitive > Accessibility Task Force) > > > > Hi > We asked web aim for information about how much these guidelines were > tested or based on reasech . We did not hear back from them. We can not > recommend information that we do not know is reliable, or we have not > reached consistences on whether we accept it. Kate cited some real problems > with some of their suggestions. > > At the time we also had the following links recommended. Hopefully they > were cited > > This is Katherine's work about autism: > http://www.catea.gatech.edu/scitrain/science/modules/autism/module9_1.phpWhere > these included in the user research? If not they should be reviewed for > useful content. > > There are some interesting ideas on > http://www.autism.org.uk/working-with/leisure-and-environments/designing-websites-suitable-for-people-with-autism-spectrum-disorders.aspx > - this is no longer active so you may need to look around for the content. > (It was sent to the list a year ago) > > > > Also -Sources on ADD/ADHD and Autisim from Katherine Mancuso > This is from STEM education for NSF. > > http://www.catea.gatech.edu/scitrain/accommodating.pdf > > (This link may require you to register first) > > LD/ADHD stuff: > > http://www.catea.gatech.edu/scitrain/science/modules/adhd/introduction.php > > http://www.catea.gatech.edu/scitrain/science/modules/ld/module8_1.php > > Because all of this is about STEM education, some of the accommodations > relate specifically to computer use. > > > > > All the best > > Lisa Seeman > > Athena ICT Accessibility Projects <http://accessibility.athena-ict.com> > LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/>, Twitter > <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa> > > > > > ---- On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 17:02:13 +0200 *Rochford<john.rochford@umassmed.edu > <john.rochford@umassmed.edu>>* wrote ---- > > Hi Lisa, > > > > I don't know of techniques unique to people with Autism. That is why, in > the Autism Gap Analysis <http://www.w3.org/TR/coga-user-research/#autism>, > I listed the techniques of WebAIM’s Cognitive Web Accessibility Checklist > <http://wave.webaim.org/cognitive>. Thus, I cannot add a subset of > Autism-specific techniques to our master list. > > > > We may want to consider adding WebAIM’s techniques to the superset that > applies to all people with cognitive disabilities. > > > > John > > > > John Rochford <http://profiles.umassmed.edu/profiles/display/132901> > UMass Medical School/E.K. Shriver Center > Director, INDEX Program > Instructor, Family Medicine & Community Health > www.DisabilityInfo.org > Twitter: @ClearHelper <https://twitter.com/clearhelper> > > > <http://www.facebook.com/pages/New-England-INDEXShriver-CenterUMass-Medical-School/227064920160> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Issue Tracker [*mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org > <sysbot+tracker@w3.org>*] > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 12:11 PM > To: Rochford, John > Subject: ACTION-78: Add techneques for autisim to *https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html > <https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html>* (Cognitive > Accessibility Task Force) > > > > ACTION-78: Add techneques for autisim to *https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html > <https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html>* (Cognitive > Accessibility Task Force) > > > > *http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/78 > <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/78>* > > > > On: John Rochford > > Due: 2015-03-02 > > > > If you do not want to be notified on new action items for this group, > please update your settings at: > > *http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users/67825#settings > <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users/67825#settings>* > > > > > <http://www.facebook.com/pages/New-England-INDEXShriver-CenterUMass-Medical-School/227064920160> > > > <http://www.facebook.com/pages/New-England-INDEXShriver-CenterUMass-Medical-School/227064920160> > > > > > >
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