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Re: example of chemistry formula inside of chemistry expression

From: Neil Soiffer <soiffer@alum.mit.edu>
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:05:55 -0700
Message-ID: <CAESRWkCBaoXbcp9B0TP=zA04ObvB2dQF5DA6shbs80fvMMmczg@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Stefan M. Kilyanek" <kilyanek@uark.edu>
Cc: "E.A.Moore" <e.a.moore@open.ac.uk>, "Barrett, Dan" <Dan.Barrett@hmhco.com>, Chemistry CG <public-chem-web-pub@w3.org>
I forgot to add that the letters in the formula are in italics, which is
not desirable, but hopefully that get fixed/made easier when MathML 4
supports "subject" (or whatever method gets eventually adopted).

    Neil


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On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Stefan M. Kilyanek <kilyanek@uark.edu>
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> Neil
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> Here is an example
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> *From:* Neil Soiffer <soiffer@alum.mit.edu>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:05 PM
> *To:* E.A.Moore <e.a.moore@open.ac.uk>
> *Cc:* Barrett, Dan <Dan.Barrett@hmhco.com>; Chemistry CG <
> public-chem-web-pub@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: example of chemistry formula inside of chemistry expression
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> Sorry that I wasn't clear. On the call, we discussed the need for both
> ChemFormula and ChemEquation subjects. I wondered if both were necessary,
> and so someone (via screen share) drew an example where both were needed.
> The example I think was an equilibrium equation where at least one of the
> formula involved using the single/double bond notation that overloads
> equals/double bond and minus/single bond. So "=" appeared that was used
> both ways; I'm not sure if there was also a "-" used both ways, but some
> example that used both in the two different senses would be even better
> than an example that used only one symbol both ways (note: the ion notation
> isn't really an overload as its meaning is clear in the superscript
> position of an element).  None of the examples in Elane's link (
> https://docs.moodle.org/38/en/Chemistry_notation_using_mhchem
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> do that. I like to use "real" examples rather than ones that don't make
> sense, and my Chemistry knowledge is too rusty to remember bonds, hence my
> request.
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>     Neil
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> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:26 AM E.A.Moore <e.a.moore@open.ac.uk> wrote:
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> You might be interested in this
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> https://docs.moodle.org/38/en/Chemistry_notation_using_mhchem
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.moodle.org_38_en_Chemistry-5Fnotation-5Fusing-5Fmhchem&d=DwMFaQ&c=7ypwAowFJ8v-mw8AB-SdSueVQgSDL4HiiSaLK01W8HA&r=YiYALifqdGEodVD1FsQilY_ldzZTpIdTA4hktnLgJSM&m=E64KFNfhibL0juLr5mjJmzNbWjZ3TJlE2mSa8_8Sk8Q&s=fiFp0d0pIvX4xRKdKX1TpSdp0xs5eqBrVjX31CEn2Qg&e=>
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> Elaine
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> *From:* Barrett, Dan <Dan.Barrett@hmhco.com>
> *Sent:* 14 May 2020 15:00
> *To:* Neil Soiffer <soiffer@alum.mit.edu>; Chemistry CG <
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> *Subject:* RE: example of chemistry formula inside of chemistry expression
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> Hi, Neil,
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> We can give you examples, but I’d have no idea how to do it in MathML.
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> Our group is meeting today and, hopefully, we can come up with something.
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> *From:* Neil Soiffer <soiffer@alum.mit.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 2:00 PM
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> *Subject:* example of chemistry formula inside of chemistry expression
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> On the last call, someone had a nice example of chemical formulas using
> single/double bonds inside of a chemistry expression. Can someone send an
> example to me either via TeX or (preferably) MathML? The MathML CG is going
> to write up some examples of where adding semantics helps AT and that is a
> good example outside of the math domain.
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> Thanks,
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>     Neil
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